The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and Tolkien - The One Ring

by **Midvalian** » Mon May 14, 2001 1:03 pm

Edited, because it NEEDED to be edited... I wasn't planning on seeing Pearl Harbor, but am now reconsidering due to the new trailer being shown. Does anyone else feel the same?

by **Bernd** » Mon May 14, 2001 1:15 pm

I'll edit too! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> I'll see Pearl Harbor. I hope the theatre is kind enough to show the trailer!

by **Fatty_Bolger** » Mon May 14, 2001 1:43 pm

Well, I never planned to see Pearl harbor. At least not paying any cent for that flick. No way. And as for LOTR the trailer will be online. Even if I have to wait 3 weeks to see it I'm not going to pay 9$ just to see it <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> And no I didn't "swear" not to see Pearl harbor. i don't need to swear on such issues <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>

by **Midvalian** » Mon May 14, 2001 1:46 pm

I'm sorry Bernd. You are right, it was rather mean to the people who want to see it. I am a little put off by some of the big "Hollywoody" movies right now, and I suppose I am taking that out on Pearl Harbor. I have enjoyed those types of movies in the past and should stop seeping into cynicism! I am an optimist dammit! I should have taken a more conciliatory tone and said, "I wasn't planning on seeing Pearl Harbor, but am now reconsidering due to the new trailer being shown. Does anyone else feel the same?" Sorry to any of those insulted! I try not to speak before thinking, but sometimes I fail...

by **Ringgamer** » Mon May 14, 2001 1:51 pm

"I am an optimist dammit!" ROTFL!!!! Midvalian, that's one of the best statement's I've seen here in days. Can I quote you on that? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Welcome to the boards, by the way. Have a good time. When I heard *about* Pearl Harbor I didn't feel any need to see it, but then I went and saw Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon at an Ultrascreen theatre here in town, and the trailer blew me away. So, I was kind of contemplating seeing it (definitely not as enthusiastically as I want to see Moulin Rouge, but I digress). If the LOTR truly is on it, then heck, sure, I'll throw away some money. Pearl Harbor's probably going to open big regardless.

by **Telemachos** » Mon May 14, 2001 2:13 pm

I think the trailers for "Pearl Harbor" have been masterful, and I have high hopes for the film. It *could* turn out quite badly, but I think there's hope for it yet. It sounds like a nice epic story, the script is by an Academy-Award winner, and Michael Bay is a visual genius who's been hamstrung by his lack of ability to latch onto good scripts. If Bay can contain the worst of his tendancies and the script lives up to expectations (I've heard from several people who've read it and given it high marks) it could be quite nice. Behind FOTR, it's arguably the film I've most been looking forward to this year. And the fact that the new FOTR trailer may be attached is only icing on the cake. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>

by **Midvalian** » Mon May 14, 2001 3:05 pm

I too saw the Pearl Harbor trailer during CTHD (all three times I saw it) and thought the trailer was wonderfully done. I love how they spliced in the "a day that will live in infamy" speech. Great stuff. I even liked Armageddon which also had the Affleck, Bruckheimer and Bay combo. I just have a bad feeling about Pearl Harbor... If it is a great movie then I will gladly be wrong. I love movies. I am always hoping for good ones. Harry Potter is my next most anticipated movie next to LOTR Numero Uno (I know there are some anti-Potter people here because of the release dates). I have room in me to love both of them and have plenty left over for Episode II and Matrix II. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Anyways, sorry for the non-LOTR aside!

by **Telemachos** » Mon May 14, 2001 3:17 pm

Midvalian, as bad as PH could turn out to be, I strongly doubt it will be as bad as "Armageddon"! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> But there's a good chunk of that movie that I like a lot as well... although overall I'm less than enthused about it.

by **Midvalian** » Mon May 14, 2001 4:27 pm

Telemachos, how true! Alas, I have a soft spot in my heart for Armageddon even though the logical part of my brain goes, "ARGH!" <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Maybe that's why Pearl Harbor poses such a threat. I might lose my sanity! By the way, the Odyssey is one of my favorites. I like your name.

by **Whistler** » Mon May 14, 2001 4:50 pm

Well, I look forward to seeing it with my father, who is a proud veteran of the Pacific War and who often says things like, "people have no idea what we endured for their sake, and they don't care." I hope nobody here is expressing disrespect for the subject matter. Ack, indeed.

by **Midvalian** » Mon May 14, 2001 5:10 pm

Whistler, Absolutely not. The stories that the movie is based on look quite powerful. With the resurgence of WWII movies (Saving Private Ryan, Thin Red Line...) I believe that people are trying to get those stories out there. I have WWII vets in my family as well, one who is extremely dear to me. I love listening to his stories and feel pain at his losses. In NO WAY would I dishonor him or any of the others that served in wars for their countries. If he wanted to see the movie and asked me to go with him I would do it in an instant. My original point was that I didn't want to see Pearl Harbor but that I did want to see the trailer on the big screen. I worded poorly and chose an inappropriate title. I tried to amend that in my second post. I am new at this and obviously not very good. I can't seem to stop offending people and that was never my intent with the original post or any of the subsequent ones.

by **Whistler** » Mon May 14, 2001 5:21 pm

Midvalian : I'm sorry, I'm sure you meant no offense. I was a bit reactionary, and I'm sure you understand why. It's hard to see these old fellows leave us wondering if anybody is even interested in the hell they went through. I do hope the movie will do them the honor of letting THEM be the focus, not some contrived Hollywood romance. And I hope they'll make a serious attempt at accuracy and not try to "improve" the war for an audience of people who are clueless on history. Again, sorry. You pushed a button with me, and next time I'll know not to misinterpret you. I welcome you to the board and hope we'll chat often.

by **Midvalian** » Mon May 14, 2001 5:32 pm

Whistler, Thank you for the reply. I can't express how terrible I was feeling. I do hope the movie will do them the honor of letting THEM be the focus, not some contrived Hollywood romance. And I hope they'll make a serious attempt at accuracy and not try to "improve" the war for an audience of people who are clueless on history. You hit my fears about the movie right on the nose. I would be grateful if you would let me know after you see the movie what you thought. It sounds like you would be upset by the same things. Yet you are willing to give it a chance, while I (after seeing a recent string of very Hollywood movies and grouping it) was not. I have been shamed today and I deserved it. Excitement is a dangerous thing.

by **Whistler** » Mon May 14, 2001 5:39 pm

Shamed? Certainly not. You've simply learned to choose your words more carefully, which is something we all need to re-learn on a regular basis. Now, pull youself together and go someplace and argue about Balrog wings like the rest of us. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>

by **ElvenArcher** » Mon May 14, 2001 5:43 pm

It's not necessarily "Trollish" for someone to say how they feel. It is okay to say how you feel about a movie here, even if it's a view others disagree with. Lately people have been jumping on others for simply stating what they think (especially if they are expressing something negative, though the reverse is also true). This is a discussion board. We don't have to agree or express the same taste. It would be good if people would be a bit more tolerant about others' views, or at least their expression of them.

by **Midvalian** » Mon May 14, 2001 5:47 pm

Whistler, Balrogs sound like just the ticket. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>

by **Fatty_Bolger** » Mon May 14, 2001 6:04 pm

WHistler, I wasn't implying I don't care about the subject or even mroe about what was done. But as you say, there are some pretty big risks we'll see too much of Affleck and too few of real stuff, history as it happened. Looking at the abysmal record of the "award-winning" script-writer, notably Braveheart and Man in iron Mask, I may only fear bad thins are ahead. I mean, someone who has the idea to put the 5-y old French princess into a full grown-up hot chick just to spice up the movie, when the real girl probably hadn't even left the palace to go outside at that time, and then make Wallace the father of Edward III. Sheesh. Then, we learn that D'Artagnan was the secret lover of Anne of Austria and daddy of Louis XIV. And he dies when fighting for freedom. When he survives all this mess in the books and is by far NOT the father of the king. Now what? Roosevelt as the secret father of Kennedy?

by **Whistler** » Mon May 14, 2001 6:20 pm

Wasn't he?

by **Bernd** » Mon May 14, 2001 7:22 pm

ElvenArcher, I'm sure you were taking about me. I changed my post, not because I thought it wrong, but because the language of the original message was changed. I do not wish to look down on anyone's opinion, I simply question way they express it. If I think something is ill mannered, I will point it out. No ill will meant towards Midvalian, you, or any other sensible (or senseless, for that matter) posters.

by **mandos** » Mon May 14, 2001 7:26 pm

I have a cool poster sized photograph of the USS Arizona, long before the sinking. You can see guys in the deck, the scout biplanes on catapaults and the ensign has the 48 star field. I found a stack of postcards from a trip my greataunt & uncle took in the late thirties(?). Almost all the ships of Pearl with captions, and I had a 50mm print taken of the Arizona, then enlarged it to 16x24. It's suprising how much detail there is. It's also suprising how many people have looked at and asked "What's that?", not knowing that there's a real ship under the Memorial.

by **Whistler** » Mon May 14, 2001 7:51 pm

Darn, Bernd, I though ElvenArcher was referring to me! Now I'm not sure. I feel so...unimportant!

by **Xhen** » Mon May 14, 2001 8:49 pm

Michael Bay isn't my favorite director but I'll give this one a chance. It sounds like he's trying to mimic Titanic in some respects but I don't think he has Cameron's talent or confidence in the audience to take the time to develop a story (or even a scene) for any length of time. I hope he's at least toned down his MTV-style quick cuts a bit.

by **bunbury** » Mon May 14, 2001 8:52 pm

Whistler Would it make you feel any better if I told you again that you should be ashamed of yourself and have no right to live<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> BTW, I agree with you about understanding what the Vets went through. I am a Captain in the Army Reserve here in Australia and attended a dinner the other night where one of the guests told us of his experience in Vietnam. In my experience the old guys don't really say much but this guy did, he told us of how, during an all out attack on his Fire Base he thought, no, he knew he was going to die. At one stage he was counting his breaths, when he got to twenty he started to think that somehow he might live. It was one of the more emotionally draining experiences I have had. I hope PH, like the first twenty minutes of Saving Private Ryan lets the viewer in some way know that terror, 'cause it will help us understand what these chaps did. Morbid post over, move along, nothing to see here.

by **dudalb** » Mon May 14, 2001 9:07 pm

Warning, the LOTR trailer is probably not going to Be shipped attached to Pearl Harbor the way the first trailer was shipped and attached to "13 Days". Harbor is a Disney release, LOTR is a Time Warner release (Time Warner owns New Line) and I doubt Disney is going to be so kind as to let a Major Competitor send a trailer out in the same container as Pearl harbor. The new LOTR trailer will probably be shipped separately as part of the standard Trailer package that Time Warner puts out. It will be up to the Theater Manager to decide what trailer shows with what film. And having worked in theaters, I can tell you some Managers just toss trailers into projection rooms without much care. There is no Promise that you will see the new Trailer for LOTR if you go to see Pearl Harbor the way there was for 13 Days. You very well may.and you very well might not. A manager, for instance, might decide that since Shrek is a fantasy film it would be a better fit for the LOTR trailer then Pearl Harbor. (This is just an example). I am sure the LOTR trailer will be shown With Harbor in some Theaters…but will not in others. You pays your money and you takes you chance. I would love to see where these rumors that the LOTR Trailer is going to be shipped with Pearl Harbor got started. I find it highly unlikely that Michael Eisner is that kind to the competition.. What it amounts to is you might see it with Pearl Harbor and you might not. Depending on the whim of you local Theater Manager. There is no promise or guarantee the way there was with 13 Days. It called business competition. Disney has nothing to gain from accommodating New Line this way. As for Me……I am a World war Two buff so I will see Pearl Harbor opening night and probably rip it apart on authenticity issued on several World War Two websites and newsgroups the next day. If you Tolkien fans think you are fussy and nitpickers, you guys are amateurs compared to World War Two Buffs…… There is nothing IMHO inherently wrong about a Love story against a World War Two backdrop. Several very good films, "From Here to Eternity" and "The English Patient" have done this without disgracing the veterans of World War II. If Bruckheimer and Bey can pull it off, I doubt…. My own advice is since there is no guarantee or promise about an LOTR trailer with Pearl Harbor go see a film you want to see on Memorial day weekend and hope for the best. I would not be surprised if it shows up with Shrek as much as it does with Pearl Harbor.

by **Whistler** » Mon May 14, 2001 9:17 pm

bunbury: Hey, I got the message the first time! My dad was in the first Marine offensive on Guadalcanal. He was responsible for maintaining the guns (pardon me if I betray my military ignorance by using the wrong terms) on the fighter plane of Joe Foss, who was one of America's top flying aces and was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. My father became great friends with Foss, who allowed him to name the plane after my mother. Last year I found for sale, on the net, a lithograph of a painting of Foss on Guadalcanal. Behind him is his plane, and on the wing of the plane is a fellow maintaining the guns. The painter didn't know who the fellow in the background was, but I did. Of course I bought the lithograph for Dad, and it's hanging in a place of honor.

by **Bernd** » Mon May 14, 2001 9:19 pm

dudalb. You're wrong.

by **Xhen** » Mon May 14, 2001 9:56 pm

Wow, that's a great story Whistler. I've got nothing but respect for the WWII generation.

by **Carl** » Mon May 14, 2001 9:56 pm

Bernd is right.

by **Saranthir** » Tue May 15, 2001 12:24 am

Having seen the trailers for PH I have little enthusiasm to see this film. To me the CGI was very obvious in even the fast moving shots. Personally I feel that WWII is a very sensitive matter and one which needs to be dealt with as 'honestly' as possible. I really do hope that Hollywood doesn't try to drag some sort of victory from what were the jaws of a terrible and shocking defeat - to sort of change history again. It was an audacious strike by Japan but proved to be almost the vehicle of their own eventual defeat. Whistler, I hope you and your father enjoy the film - let us know. I too have grown up with veterans of WWII, and WWI; although my great grandfather died when I was about ten I can still recall most of the tales he told us about the trenches and the battle of the Somme.

by **AsGoot** » Tue May 15, 2001 5:28 am

I'm a bit off topic, but I've been just reading a book that I may recommend if you're interested in WWII and what the veterans went through, namely Antony Beevor's Stalingrad. All war is hell, but that's the 9th circle of hell if there ever was one. I've got nothing but utmost respect for the veterans. And that's the way it should be, especially considering that I owe probably my very existence to them (being a Finn).

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