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Total Film Interview with del Toro

Here is an excellent intereview with Guillermo del Toro in Total Film magazine:

Guillermo Del Toro On Making The Hobbit
 

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That was a great interview. He didn't give too much away, but I like his vibe and the way he talks about The Hobbit. I can tell that he is going to give it every bit of attention that it needs.

In the end we will all see how that comes out, but I feel good after reading this, especially about Smaug. I do wish they had asked about who was going to be acting in the films, but that will come.

I can't believe it is still so far off.

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Yet another very encouraging interview!
Though I have to say I especially miss Whistler when we get a director interview;) <-- comment only TORC oldtimers will get.

I quite liked that he 'gets' the importance of time passage in Tolkien. I also loved this bit:

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All I can say is that we have an incredibly good team of people who know we are not making another Rings. We are not trying to make a quadrilogy, or a pentilogy. We’re tying to make two films that flow with those but that stand on their own completely.


Just like the books, eh? And his comments about wanting Rivendell and Hobbiton to be the 'familiar places' between films also works well. I do expect that means no "tra-la-la-lally" which is of course, quite disappointing. Although if it's translated into elvish before they sing, it might work. Wink

I really like his ideas about the creatures. I'm soooo looking forward to this now!
I'm uncertain about squishing Gandalf's story in, as the book is really Bilbo vs Thorin, but I'm not that concerned about it. It's more an "I wonder how they will do it?" than a complaint about it being done.


This man does seem to really "get" fairy tales, and that gives me the most hope.
 

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2011?

I might live long enough.

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Elmtree said:

I also loved this bit:

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All I can say is that we have an incredibly good team of people who know we are not making another Rings. We are not trying to make a quadrilogy, or a pentilogy. We’re tying to make two films that flow with those but that stand on their own completely.


That was the passage that stood out the most for me, as well, Elm.

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Though I have to say I especially miss Whistler when we get a director interview;) <-- comment only TORC oldtimers will get.


Who knows what the future may bring.
 

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So, as opposed to the book, we see where he goes and what happens to him


"him", of course, being Gandalf.

This part of the interview I find interesting.
 

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Me too, Unwin. So now we're clear about where at least SOME of the extra stuff will come from to make the movie long enough to require a second.

But that may well mean that the first movie will indeed finish in the middle of the book. Sad What I really would have liked is to have that confirmed.

Perhaps the Battle of the Five Armies is the big battle of film two, and the wizards battling Sauron in Dol Guldur is film one?!?
 

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The way I phrased it to Weta, I said we would keep the DNA in the same gene pool as the Rings trilogy, but that we would generate a different type of character. For example, in the trilogy most of the creatures are brutish or inarticulate.


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In The Hobbit, the creatures speak: Smaug has beautiful lines of dialogue; the Great Goblin has beautiful lines of dialogue; many creatures do. So we had to design them with a different approach because you are not just designing things that are scary.



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I wanted the Wargs to have a certain beauty so that you don't have a massively clear definition: what is beautiful is good and what is ugly is not. Some of the monsters are absolutely gorgeous.


These were all interesting points of view for me. I like the way GDT is thinking, and I hope he doesn't feel too bound by the trilogy DNA pool as he puts it.
 

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But that may well mean that the first movie will indeed finish in the middle of the book. Sad What I really would have liked is to have that confirmed.


That has long been confirmed, Judy. It is a two-part adaptation of The Hobbit , with the second movie ending at the end of the book (although exactly where it will break continues to be a matter of speculation).
 

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Yes, keeping it in the same DNA is tricky. It needs to feel that it is the same universe, but the Middle Earth of The Hobbit is a brighter, happier, less threatened place than the Middle Earth of LOTR.

Making Smaug different from other dragons will be quite an accomplishment.

I think they can keep the Battle of the Five Armies in the first movie, giving just hints of what Gandalf is up to, and then shift to his activities and Dol Guldur in the second. We will see.
 

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I think they can keep the Battle of the Five Armies in the first movie, giving just hints of what Gandalf is up to, and then shift to his activities and Dol Guldur in the second. We will see.


Not a chance. The most likely place where they will break the film is after the escape from the Elven kingdom in the barrels, but it could be even earlier than that.
 

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GDT fills me with such hope. I just pray that the long arm of PJ can be thwarted.

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EDIT: The only negative here, for me, was that GDT's Rivendell will basically be PJ's Rivendell. I always thought PJ's Rivendell was rather kitsch and unconvincing. We shall see.

At least this confirms that Rivendell is in. For now.

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And for me GM, that is what I thought PJ did well, all the locations. Hobbiton, Rivendell, Gondor, Lorien, Rohan.

Every time a new location came on the screen, I got goosebumps.

While they didn't all fit my mental picture of the places I had read about, they were close enough.
 

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If the Wargs will look like wolves in this movie rather than the hyena-like creatures of "The Two Towers", then I certainly think that they should "have a certain beauty", not only for the reason he gave, but also because wolves are magnificent-looking animals.
 

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And for me GM, that is what I thought PJ did well, all the locations. Hobbiton, Rivendell, Gondor, Lorien, Rohan.

Every time a new location came on the screen, I got goosebumps.

While they didn't all fit my mental picture of the places I had read about, they were close enough.


Oh, sure, I didn't say anything about those other locations (though I thought the Caras Galadhon portion of Lorien was unconvincing). I loved Hobbiton and Rohan, and liked Gondor. I think Rivendell (and Weathertop, though that was a small set piece) were poorly done, but hey, thats just me.

It's not so much about my "mental picture," as Rohan was very different from mine, yet I appreciated its beauty. It is more about the artistry of it, and whether or not it felt like a "set." Rivendell was awfully stagey, IMO, and so I didn't much like it. I think they over-did the "elvish-ness" of it . This is something all fantasy films tend to do. Exaggerate the differences between races, and in so doing, make everything seem a bit false. For example, just because dwarves like gems and metals, it doesn't mean every aspect of their culture, from their helmets to the columns in their largest halls, have to be geometrically angular (as they are in PJ's LOTR). It's like deciding that humans are greedy, and should therefore, I don't know, have money symbols as motifs in everything they make.

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I loved hearing about the 'articulate' creatures. I expect we'll get the Troll scene as in the book, then, more or less.

I liked Rivendell, especially the "exterior" which I think was taken right from one of Tolkien's own paintings, no?
 

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Elmtree said:

I loved hearing about the 'articulate' creatures. I expect we'll get the Troll scene as in the book, then, more or less.


Though they won't articulate so well by the end. At least we're assured the performance won't be stiff.
 

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JudyA said:

But that may well mean that the first movie will indeed finish in the middle of the book. Sad What I really would have liked is to have that confirmed.


That has long been confirmed, Judy. It is a two-part adaptation of The Hobbit , with the second movie ending at the end of the book (although exactly where it will break continues to be a matter of speculation).



Oh, bother Rolling Eyes I have become hopeless at remembering which bits are decided and which bits are still a matter for discussion... *sighs at own stupidity*
 

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Wonderful article. So many things to mull over-but I especially like his attitude toward the monsters, and his hints about Smaug have really got me going!
 

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2011...

Gaahh.... May I live to see this movie.

Oh well. At least it's before 2012.
 

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But the second movie will (in all likelihood) be released after Dec 3, 2012.

Oh noes! Shocked
 

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Whoops....

But wait!

The prediction is the world will end on December 21 , 2012!

So, if premiere is December 3 then there might be time to watch it once (and make 1 last confession) before the world ends! Big Grin
 

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Oh, you guys... Rolling Eyes
 

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Thanks, V-Man. Smile

I like this:

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All I can say is that we have an incredibly good team of people who know we are not making another Rings. We are not trying to make a quadrilogy, or a pentilogy. We’re tying to make two films that flow with those but that stand on their own completely.


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No – and I think that I’m really quite eager to go and do that. But at the same time there were so many battles in the trilogy. So one of the first things is how do we make the battles or the action in The Hobbit feel different from that?

Because it was fresh when the trilogy came out, to see those enormous valleys or fortresses being invaded by warriors.

But then after the trilogy you had Troy, Narnia, everything. It has become quite common seeing two massive CG armies attacking each other.

So we came up with a good solution, I think. It will make the battles stand out.



Excellent.
 

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I just wish he didn't need PJ, Fran and Philippa to do a "pass-through" of his script. Collaborative writing can be very fruitful, but it can also lead to morass, mediocrity and the triumph of LCD ideas.

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Great interview, the more I read, the more excited I get for GDT's vision. He is a director who I really like, so I'm sure I'll like what he does with the Hobbit Smile
 








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Gandalf'sMother said:

I just wish he didn't need PJ, Fran and Philippa to do a "pass-through" of his script. Collaborative writing can be very fruitful, but it can also lead to morass, mediocrity and the triumph of LCD ideas.

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As per usual, I'm with GM on this. I believe that GDT's vision will be shackled by the triumvirate's plasticity, and a camel for the Arctic will result.
 

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I didn't read the entire article (yet...) so I wonder how they gonna treat Bilbo's encounter with Bert, Tom, and William and wether they gonna look like the trolls in the trilogy (particulary the images in the part where Sam says to Frodo "...it's Bilbo's trolls...")

BTW (and I know it is not too popular notion here, for some reason...) - I am reassured by the fact that the scriptwriting is being co-done and observed by Jackson, Walsh and Boyens and by the fact that GDT admits that he is commited to their privious work. I just think that a Hobbit movie which is 'too diferent' (artisticly and conceptualy) from the trilogy (with all do respect to the time passed and to the fact that to some it will be the first cinematic visit to middle earth) will be strange and wrong, especially in case of consecutive wacth with the trilogy.
 

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A camel for the Arctic - hmmm, nice turn of phrase, Fir-Bolg Wink
 

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