Cock-Robin
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Posted: Sat Nov 7, 2009 5:46 am |
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Morgoth's Ring
Morgoth's Ring
is the only volume of HOME that I don't have at the moment. I wanted to ask if it was worth getting, and what your impressions of it. Any here have some thoughts?
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Voronwe_the_Faithful
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Posted: Sat Nov 7, 2009 6:52 am |
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Yes, it is worth getting. In fact, I know quite a few people that consider it the most worthwhile volume of HoMe. It contains the
Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth
, the
Laws and Customs of the Eldar
which are two of Tolkien's most important works, the greatly expanded story of Finwe and Miriel, and generally the most recent and most extensive versions of the first half of the Silmarillion, much of which did not make it into the published work. And it contains "Myths Transformed" - which contains not just Tolkien's contemplated rethinking of much of his mythology but also much very interesting metaphysical discussion about it.
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krawler
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Posted: Sat Nov 7, 2009 7:39 am |
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I just read it earlier this year. I found it to be the most interesting book in the series yet, mostly because of all those extra essays and stuff that Voronwe mentioned. The only downside is that you come away with an idea of everything that Tolkien could have accomplished but instead left unfinished. Definitely worth picking up if you're into that sort of thing.
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Cock-Robin
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Posted: Sat Nov 7, 2009 9:34 pm |
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Thanks, Voronwe and Krawler. I've gone ahead and ordered a copy. I've already found in my reading of the other volumes of HOME how Christopher Tolkien's edition of
The Silmarillion
suffered in the editing. And it's really enriched my understanding of JRRT's mythology. Now my set of HOME will be complete. (except for the Index, which will have to wait.)
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Voronwe_the_Faithful
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Cock-Robin
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Posted: Mon Nov 9, 2009 6:06 am |
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Wow, that book looks good. I'll have to save up and get that someday.
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Voronwe_the_Faithful
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:20 pm |
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I'm hopeful that eventually there will be a paperback edition that obviously will be a lot cheaper. 
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Cock-Robin
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:19 pm |
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I hope it comes out in paperback one day as well. It's one that I'd just love to have. btw, my copy of Morgoth's Ring just arrived, and I can't wait to read it. I'm going through some other volumes of HoME right now, and am just starting
The Lays of Beleriand
. It'll be a little while before I get to it.
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Voronwe_the_Faithful
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:56 pm |
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Have fun! I'll be interested in your comments once you get to the material in MR, particularly the
Athrabeth
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rwhen
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:04 pm |
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Okay, just because I know that Voronwe doesn't toot his own horn...
CR, you probably know, but just in case you don't, Voronwe is the author of Arda Reconstructed......
I have read it now twice and I can't highly recommend it enough. You should ask for it for Christmas or the Easter Bunny or Birthday. Worth having on your shelf as a collectible and also supporting one of our very own.
*nods*
*is this a place to mention Prim? No? *shuffles feet* Okay. 
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Also trying to get
Tyg and Maedhros wed.
and getting into trouble with
Rally The Eldar.
Time out of Mind, forever bound to my Knight Ayslhyn
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Cock-Robin
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:09 pm |
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Yep, I know. It's one reason why I would dearly love to have the book. Unfortunately, asking for it for Christmas, etc, is out of the question, as I have no rich uncle to ask if they would spring the $50 for that book, so I'll have to wait and save up. 
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Voronwe_the_Faithful
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truehobbit
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:56 am |
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Voronwe is much too bearded to be a 'her'. 
(GM, sorry, couldn't help myself. )
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Just 'cos I like this pic so much.
(Thanks to Rowan for taking it. )
Sing me a story of heroes of the Shire,
Muddling through, brave and true,
Stubborn as bindweed and tough as old briar,
Never too showy or grand,
Year after year they persevere,
Now and for always.
(LOTR, the musical)
...for man is a giddy thing, and this is my conclusion
(Shakespeare, Much Ado)
My new food & restaurant blog
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Gandalf'sMother
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:29 am |
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It's high time we resurrected the gender confusion thread.
-GM
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Cock-Robin
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:51 am |
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Aw, GM, we all do those gender-benders once in a while. You don't know how many times with my TORC moniker people focus on the name Robin and think I'm a girl. I always have to disappoint them. Reminds me of an old Johnny Cash song:
A Boy Named Sue
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rwhen
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:45 pm |
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Okay, just to be clear...I am chicka!! Hear me peep!!
GM, I got your gender confused...I wonder why!!
CR, I always knew you were a bloke.
Hobby, I knew you were a chicka.
and Voronwe, I knew you were a legend.
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Love is as big or as little as a hug!!
I will always treasure and remember your appreciation. Thank you. -2007 WCA's
Overwhelmed by your support and appreciation. Thank you. - 2008 WCA's
The Expected Party!!
is now on the road to Gondor to celebrate. Join us.
Also trying to get
Tyg and Maedhros wed.
and getting into trouble with
Rally The Eldar.
Time out of Mind, forever bound to my Knight Ayslhyn
Vanadarlin'
, my SSOTH - 143 forever |
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Voronwe_the_Faithful
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:57 pm |
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in my own mind?
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Cock-Robin
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:52 am |
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A legend in many minds.
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Cock-Robin
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:23 am |
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Voronwe, you may be interested to know that right now I hold a copy of
Arda Reconstructed
in my hands. Some wonderful TORC angel sent it to me, and I can't wait to dig into it. It already looks like a wonderful book you've written.
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Voronwe_the_Faithful
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:38 am |
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Wow! That's a pretty amazing gift. I have a feeling I know who the TORC angel may be.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts about the book. There is, by the way, a list of errata at www.arda-reconstructed.com. If you spot anything that is not covered in that list, please let me know!
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crispycreme
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:26 pm |
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Crispy, there are two really good books (3rd on the way I hope)
Prim Baggins. She wrote The Hidden Worlds and the second book in that series is The Cold Minds. You can find them on Amazon. IN my mind, they are a mix of fantasy and SciFi, I liked them very much.
And DO get Arda Reconstructed, you will enjoy it very much.
CR, someone out there likes you.
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Love is as big or as little as a hug!!
I will always treasure and remember your appreciation. Thank you. -2007 WCA's
Overwhelmed by your support and appreciation. Thank you. - 2008 WCA's
The Expected Party!!
is now on the road to Gondor to celebrate. Join us.
Also trying to get
Tyg and Maedhros wed.
and getting into trouble with
Rally The Eldar.
Time out of Mind, forever bound to my Knight Ayslhyn
Vanadarlin'
, my SSOTH - 143 forever |
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Voronwe_the_Faithful
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rwhen
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:49 pm |
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WHAT???!!!???!!!???!!!
*runs to Amazon to place the order*
This is what I get, isn't it Voronwe, for not being at HOF to be up to date.
FOR SHAME on me!!
Voronwe, have a great holiday if I don't speak to you before.
*runs FAST to Amazon*
Edited:
Got it ordered, it should be here Friday. Guess what I am going to be doing this weekend?
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Love is as big or as little as a hug!!
I will always treasure and remember your appreciation. Thank you. -2007 WCA's
Overwhelmed by your support and appreciation. Thank you. - 2008 WCA's
The Expected Party!!
is now on the road to Gondor to celebrate. Join us.
Also trying to get
Tyg and Maedhros wed.
and getting into trouble with
Rally The Eldar.
Time out of Mind, forever bound to my Knight Ayslhyn
Vanadarlin'
, my SSOTH - 143 forever |
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Voronwe_the_Faithful
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:38 pm |
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You have a wonderful holiday too, you dear TORC angel you.
Crispy, I should mention that the illustrations in my book (including the cover illustration) were created by the wonderfully talented Breogan, and the cover was designed by the one and only Whistler.
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merlyn
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:48 pm |
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I was visiting the library at Washington University in St. Louis this morning, saw a copy of "Arda Reconstructed" there, and sat down to read some of it. It was only a brief visit, and I don't have a library card for that library so I couldn't check it out, but I found it enjoyable. I hope that I can sit down properly to read it all the way through some other time.
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Voronwe_the_Faithful
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:31 pm |
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Cock-Robin
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:30 pm |
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Thanks, Voronwë. I've bookmarked the site so I can access it anytime. I've noticed in the bibliography of works cited on Page 17, which I've gone through with great interest, you mentioned the books of HoME you cited, with the exception of Vol. VI,
The Return of the Shadow.
Was that an oversight, or was there nothing in that volume relevant to your book? I'm now beginning the book proper. I decided not to wait until I finished the volumes of HoME, (I'm at Vol. IV,
The Shaping of Middle-Earth.
I've already read the volumes on LOTR, so I'd be ready for Morgoth's Ring next. I had read Vol. V to read
The Lost Road
already and wished Tolkien had finished it. I guess his friend C.S. Lewis didn't push him enough.)
It's a habit of mine to read several books at once, so it's no problem doing it.
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Voronwe_the_Faithful
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:47 pm |
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Vol. VIII,
The War of the Ring
, is also not cited anywhere in the book. There are only brief citations to the other two volumes of HoMe that make up
The History of The Lord of the Rings
(Vol. VII,
The Treason of Isengard
, and Vol. IX,
Sauron Defeated
). Needless to say, the volumes of HoMe related to the history of "the Silmarilion" are considerably more relevant.
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