jotnar wrote:To defend PJ on this, thirteen dwarves is a director's nightmare
original wombat wrote:Understand that, but oddly enough Bumbur is one of the few in the book that's given stuff to do. I remember the last time I read it I noticed that one dwarf has no lines in the book (think it was either Bofur or Ori)
andurilwest wrote:Bible movie directors seem to do fine with twelve apostles...
Denethor wrote:I'd also suggest that if thirteen dwarves really was a director's nightmare, Jackson should have cut the surplus dwarves - have Thorin, Balin, Bombur, Fili, Kili, and a couple of extras (perhaps Dori and Gloin). Going with the full contingent was a conscious choice.
lotrjw wrote:Denethor wrote:I'd also suggest that if thirteen dwarves really was a director's nightmare, Jackson should have cut the surplus dwarves - have Thorin, Balin, Bombur, Fili, Kili, and a couple of extras (perhaps Dori and Gloin). Going with the full contingent was a conscious choice.
Im sorry I have to profoundly disagree about cutting Dwarves that would ruin the story! Yes its hard to do but if your going to do it you have to have all 13 Dwarves! I welcome more streamlined fan edits that cut stuff that wasnt in the books, but on the whole they did a reasonable job in keeping the 13 Dwarves!
Denethor wrote:lotrjw wrote:Denethor wrote:I'd also suggest that if thirteen dwarves really was a director's nightmare, Jackson should have cut the surplus dwarves - have Thorin, Balin, Bombur, Fili, Kili, and a couple of extras (perhaps Dori and Gloin). Going with the full contingent was a conscious choice.
Im sorry I have to profoundly disagree about cutting Dwarves that would ruin the story! Yes its hard to do but if your going to do it you have to have all 13 Dwarves! I welcome more streamlined fan edits that cut stuff that wasnt in the books, but on the whole they did a reasonable job in keeping the 13 Dwarves!
Tolkien himself only focuses on Thorin (pompous), Balin (nice), Bombur (fat), Fili and Kili (young), and Dori (the one who carries Bilbo everywhere). Ori and Oin don't even get lines, whereas Nori, Bifur, and Bofur only get one line apiece. You don't need thirteen dwarves to tell this story
wilko185 wrote:My personal theory is that the number of dwarves being 13 was a specific reference by Tolkien to an Icelandic Christmas folk tradition.
wilko185 wrote:(It's probably the only original idea I've ever posted on TORC)
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