The Official Sindarin Translation Thread II

[Xandarien]

So I decided to simplify this quite a lot, and go with "I'd rather be ashes than dust" from an amazing Jack London quote. Thanks again for everyone's help! I really liked all your suggestions for my first attempt. This other quote just really hit home with me.

Sorry for not replying sooner, was having a muse how to translate it.

Serathon aen no lith sennui ast = I would like to be ash instead of dust

Lith = Ash, dust but Ast only means dust so I think an Elf would understand you. There's no verb for 'to prefer', we just have Sennui = rather, instead so I had to reword it slightly.
Serathon aen = I would like
no = to be
lith = ash, dust, sand
sennui = instead, rather
ast = dust

[fang13]

Thank you, Xandarian! That's perfect! Now for the tough choice of figuring out which translation to use. To the Tengwar thread!

[Luca1940]

Hey, could you guys and girls please help me translate two quotes to Sindarin? Would be awesome! I want to get one of them, or both as tattoos

Quote one ( by Alan Watts): You are it
Quote two (bruce lee): Be water my friend ( and i would like to see what only be water would look like )
thank you so much
I don´t really trust the language onlineconverters....

[Xandarien]

You are wise not to!

Ci den = You are it (informal version, said to someone you know well)
Le den = You are it (formal version, said to someone higher or a stranger)

No nen = Be water
No nen mellonenin = Be water my friend

Ci = You are (informal)
Le = You are (formal)
Den = It
No = Be
Nen = Water
Mellonenin = My friend (Mellon = friend)

[Luca1940]

Thank you Xanderien

[MontyPopcorn]

Hi, I was wondering if you could help me out with a translation. I'm looking to translate the word 'Brother', as in genetic/blood brother, into Sindarin.

If it's not too much trouble, I was wondering if you could point me in the right direction as to getting the same translated into Khuzdul. I know that may not be possible though. The idea is for my brother and I to have matching tattoos, his in Cirth script and mine in Tengwar. He favours the Dwarves, whilst I favour the Elves you see.

[Xandarien]

Hi, I was wondering if you could help me out with a translation. I'm looking to translate the word 'Brother', as in genetic/blood brother, into Sindarin.

If it's not too much trouble, I was wondering if you could point me in the right direction as to getting the same translated into Khuzdul. I know that may not be possible though. The idea is for my brother and I to have matching tattoos, his in Cirth script and mine in Tengwar. He favours the Dwarves, whilst I favour the Elves you see.

Hi!
Muindor = Brother
(There are a couple of other words, but they're for older speakers from the First Age - if that's what you'd prefer I'll give you those too )

Unfortunately 'brother' isn't a word Tolkien made for Khuzdul, so it would have to be reconstructed Khuzdul.
Dictionary can be found here
Page 134 has various words for 'brother', and this comes from this site. I believe he took Tolkien's words, Salo's work for the films and then went from there.

[MontyPopcorn]

Hi!
Muindor = Brother
(There are a couple of other words, but they're for older speakers from the First Age - if that's what you'd prefer I'll give you those too )

Unfortunately 'brother' isn't a word Tolkien made for Khuzdul, so it would have to be reconstructed Khuzdul.
Dictionary can be found here
Page 134 has various words for 'brother', and this comes from this site. I believe he took Tolkien's words, Salo's work for the films and then went from there.

My goodness, thank you so very much! Especially for the speedy response

[Arlaug]

Might I trouble someone for a quick translation of I choose a mortal life? Thanks in advance.

[Xandarien]

Yes certainly, sorry for not replying sooner.

Cewin cuil fireb = I choose a mortal life

Caw- = to taste, choose, select
cuil = life
fireb = mortal

[RCJak]

I was wondering if I could find a bit of help from some very generous folks on the One Ring regarding a few group names I need translated into Sindarin. The terms are meant to be applied to groups, guilds, companies and brotherhoods, so I don't know if that will aid in the direction of taking translation or not?

The first group: "The Men of Ivy"
This is meant to be a term applied to a group of humans, so if human or men is the appropriate approach, wonderful, or just generic collectives may be more suitable.

Ivy gave me some trouble...I couldn't find an equivalent. I'll be eager to defer to the masters, here, but I scrounged up a resource in my search. Uncertain if this will help or if its just rubbish:
https://www.reddit.com/r/sindarin/comme ... plant_ivy/

The second group: "The Company of the White Hart (or Stag)"

This is more of a 'fellowship' type group; a small band of sworn brother-types.

Thanks for any help and time that can be put towards this project!

[Xandarien]

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I don't really have a positive opinion of that subreddit, there's a lot of old information thrown about and sometimes just some blatantly wrong information.

I actually reconstructed a word for 'ivy' from an old Goldogrin word it comes from a root meaning 'to creep' so I have no idea where the 'orange leaf' idea came from!

Edain Ethil = Men of Ivy
In Edain Ethil = The Men of Ivy

For 'company' I'm going to give you a few options...
I chûd en aras [nimp/fain/faen/'loss] = The assembly of the white deer
Hûd = Assembly
Nimp = Pale, white
Fain = White
Faen = Radiant, white
'loss = Snow-white

I 'waith en aras [nimp/fain/faen/'loss] = The regiment, people of the white deer
'waith = Troop of able bodied men, host, regiment

I 'ovaded en aras [nimp/fain/faen/'loss] = The meeting of the white deer
'ovaded = Meeting (Covad- = to meet, come together)

I erthad en aras [nimp/fain/faen/'loss] = The uniting of the white deer
erthad = uniting (Ertha- = to unite)

There's no word for stag, just deer.

[RCJak]

Thanks so much! This is wonderful! As to the reddit, I sadly have no experience with them. I'm glad I found this site, however, as this translation is a great help for the One Ring RPG we're running. I really appreciate the time and research put into this. It means a great deal. Thanks again!

[Arlaug]

Thank you so much. Now, I am interested in the following, if I were to say
Ashes and snow, and by ashes I mean not dust but the burnt remnants, should I put it
Lith no 'loss?

[Xandarien]

Lith a loss

'No' is from the verb 'to be' and is the imperative form.

[solicitr]

I have to take issue with this statement:

During the Second Age, the Men of Numenor spoke Sindarin before they corrupted it to their own language of Adunaic, which is how Sindarin passed to their descendants, the Dúnedain.

Adunaic was the native Mannish tongue of the Edain, more specifically that of the People of Hador (by far the most numerous of the survivors of the Elder Days). It had no connection to the Elvish languages at all; it detectably had some early influence from Dwarvish (Khuzdul), long before the Edain reached Beleriand. One can find a breakdown of the language in Sauron Defeated in conjunction with The Notion Club Papers.

The Dunedain also spoke Sindarin, or at least the educated ones did, in much the same way that educated Medievals spoke Latin. It was a language of lore, and the preferred mode of creating nomenclature, but was always a "learned" language not a cradle-tongue. (In the days of Numenor's decay, the Elvish tongues were suppressed and ultimately speaking them became a capital crime; the "turning point" of the island's history could be said to be the point when Ar-Adunakhor took a regnal name in Adunaic instead of Quenya.)

[Xandarien]

In fairness you're commenting on a post I wrote four years ago. If I ever get the chance to open a third Sindarin Translation Thread it would have a rather different opening post.

[Arlaug]

Lith a loss

'No' is from the verb 'to be' and is the imperative form.

Thanks a lot! So, the snow is written without the apostrophe sign, not 'loss?
Great job as always

[Xandarien]

Thanks a lot! So, the snow is written without the apostrophe sign, not 'loss?
Great job as always

Yip! Loss = Snow, Gloss = Snow-white, as white as snow (which becomes 'loss after the word 'and' due to mutation).

[twd3pdx]

First post! I have searched the forum in every manner I can think of and cannot find a translation for this:

"Dawn is ever the hope of men."

Hoping that you can help me with a translation into Sindarin that I can then run over to get transcribed into Tengwar.

Thanks!

[Xandarien]

First post! I have searched the forum in every manner I can think of and cannot find a translation for this:

"Dawn is ever the hope of men."

Hoping that you can help me with a translation into Sindarin that I can then run over to get transcribed into Tengwar.

Thanks!

Welcome!

Minuial anuir amdir edain = Dawn is forever the hope of men (literally 'Dawn is forever Men's hope')

Minuial = Dawn
anuir = forever (ui- = ever is meant to be a prefix so it wouldn't really work here)
amdir = hope (to men)
edain = men

[twd3pdx]

Awesome! Thank you very much!

[Egwene]

Hi everyone!

I need some help with one sentence:
World of dreams.

Could you please translate this?
I would be very grateful for it!

Have a nice day!

[Xandarien]

Hi everyone!

I need some help with one sentence:
World of dreams.

Could you please translate this?
I would be very grateful for it!

Have a nice day!

Certainly!

Ardhon elei = World of dreams
Ardhon = World
elei = dreams

[Estel1701]

Hello, I want to give my friend a special gift for her birthday. For that purpose I've order Tolkien's 50th anniverary one volume edition of Lord of the Rings. We are both fans, but she's quite a bit bigger than I am and has great knowledge of the elvish language. To make a long story short, I want to write a special note to her in the book and it would go "Never give up hope. I love you." It's also a play on words with Estel meaning hope, which was also the elvish name for Aragorn (but you already know that xD), a character she sometimes parallels with me (and Arwen with herself.) In any case, I've found an online characters converter which will allow me to write it in the proper script, I just want it to be a proper translation. If you know anyone that will help me with the translation, any help will be appreciated Sindarin is the proper choice as it's the elivsh tongue both Arwen and Aragorn speak in in the movies and books. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Thank you in advance

[Xandarien]

Hi, I've replied to this fully via email, the Sindarin I gave was ú-awartho estel. Gin melon.

[Estel1701]

Thank you very much. I'll also reply more fully via the mail

[Nephya]

Hello
Can you translate me "Père" and "Papa" (it's mean Father in English) in Sindarin, please ?
I'm French and i would like to do a tattoo with one of these words (in french!) in Tengwar so I need id

Thanks for all!

[Xandarien]

Hello
Can you translate me "Père" and "Papa" (it's mean Father in English) in Sindarin, please ?
I'm French and i would like to do a tattoo with one of these words (in french!) in Tengwar so I need id

Thanks for all!

Hello!

Ada = Daddy (Papa)
Adar = Father (Père)

[chupeechan]

Hello,

I'd like to get a tattoo with my daughter's name (Rose) in Sindarin
I know it's translated as "meril" but it's the actual writing that I'd like but I don't know where I can find it...
I really hope I got the right place to post my question as I'm French (so my English is one I learned with fanfictions)
Anyway, I hope you'll be able to help me ^^

Thanks a lot !