The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and Tolkien - The One Ring

by **Lysandros** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 8:12 pm

TORC's oldest and only "true" Metal Thread.

If your metal doesn't have double bass drum, or leather or spikes or album covers with fur clad chicks holding swords aloft on a dreary snow-covered field, it isn't metal. Better have a raft of Marshalls cranked too.

"If you're not into Metal, you are not my friend." (Manowar)

PS: Nu-metal is for weenies, with no place in the Metal Gods' Hall!

by **black_hole_iris** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 12:32 am

Well if you are into black metal you will like cradle of filth and grievance.... well as per me I like all kindsa metal... all time favourites are Slipknot and Soulfly.

by **The,real,Maeglin** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 12:33 am

Another Metal Head, here only not so in the Dark Metal (not yet<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>) Yes metal from Scandinavia is good<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>Also like their Gothic, Nightwish<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>

by **Haefalas** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 10:13 am

In my opinion Cradle stink. If you are looking for some new stuff try searching for a few tracks by in flames. There are a few nice tracks by them.

by **Lysandros** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 11:24 am

Haefalas: I have all of In Flames' albums, except the Lunar Strain/Subterranean LP. They are awesome. But I disagree on Cradle of Filth. I love them...well I loved the Vempire EP anyway. Some of their new stuff is so so but I only heard Midian once. Maeglin: The only Nightwish song I have heard is Wishmaster. Is that pretty typical of their sound? The guitar work is basically ripped off of Tales From the Thousand Lakes by their countrymen Amorphis. The singing reminds me of Therion at their more theatrical Iris: dude, Slipknot and Soulfly!? Nooooooo! Ok, Slipknot may be ok but they take themselves tooo seriously. Soulfly are nothing compared to the glory that was Sepultura!

by **BlackGoat** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 12:40 pm

Dimmu Borgir and Emperor are cool, especially Emperor. Samoth and Trym rule. Amphoris and Entombed are cool as well! Though I have to say I like Entombed's older stuff than their newer. Cradle of Filth is not black metal, as they stated, but once were part of that group. They are, however, good metal. Slipknot and Soulfly were never metal to begin with, and are purely crap. Nightwish is cool power metal. Tarja is hot.

by **legolas_the_fair** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 1:37 pm

I'm not in to death or black metal although I love stuff like Deftones <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> I would mention more but I don't think you'd acknowledge seeing as you're talking bout death metal stuff.

by **Saruman** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 4:40 pm

Cradle of Filth is terrible... Emperor and Satyricon are the best black metal bands. Were, rather. The warriors of modern death have disbanded. Legolas, the Deftones are not metal. Leave at once or never say anything about the Deftones in a metal thread again. Anyone who likes black metal or just has an open mind should check out Bal Sagoth if you haven't already. A truly unique band that blends classical music with black metal and fantasy lyrics that are far more intelligent than most fantasy bands. Some good songs are "A Tale from the Deep Woods", "Atlantis Ascendant", "Callisto Rising", and "The Dark Liege of Chaos is Unleashed at the Ensorcelled Shrine of Azura-Kai (The Splendour of a Thousand Swords Gleaming Beneath the Blazon of the Hyperboreon Empire Part II)"

by **BlackGoat** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 7:23 pm

Satyricon's Dark Medieval Times is an EXCELLENT black metal album, I must say. He's right, Deftones are NOT metal. Bal-Sagoth is cool. Kinda like a power/black band. Their new one is very good, but I like The Power Cosmic better.

by **Lysandros** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 9:31 pm

I will have to check them out Saruman. Sounds pretty cool. I agree Deftones are not metal...more like some kind Smashing Pumpkins mutation...

by **Lysandros** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 9:35 pm

What do you guys think about all the controversy that seems to surround Black Metal bands? ie. the numerous arrests, deaths, arsons etc. The career of Mayhem seems to have been the most notorious. I remember hearing the story of the one guy killing himself but that was like 8 yrs ago...and then all the other crazy crap they did...if anyone doesn't know the story, look up Mayhem on the AMG music guide and read..it is quite a story!!

by **The,real,Maeglin** » Fri Sep 14, 2001 1:51 am

My opinion, Cradle of Filth pretty good, Gonadan let me hear it a few times also Terion and Nightwish. Lysandros, Wishmaster is a good album but I won't cally it typical Nightwish, more their album Ocean Born.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> I don't like Soulfly, found Sepultura much better only Slipknot, well........ some "songs<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>" are good like wait and bleed but the most i don't like.

by **Elfslayer** » Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:27 am

"wait and bleed" is, by far, the WORST song Slipknot ever did. Anyone saying Slipnot is not metal needs to listen to Iowa. It's heavier than ****.

by **Kelcifer** » Fri Sep 14, 2001 10:01 am

"By far" I disagree, Elfslayer. The worst song Slipknot ever wrote was Disasterpiece which is on the Iowa album. It may be heavy, but that's about it. Wait and Bleed may not be considered "metal" but it's a decent song.

by **BlackGoat** » Fri Sep 14, 2001 10:41 am

The stuff that happened with Mayhem and other such black metal bands in the late 80's-early 90's was in a book titled "Lords of Chaos: The Bloody Rise of The Satanic Metal Underground". It shows everything, such as Dead's suicide, Varg's murder of Euronymous, and various other murders within the black metal scene. Also it details it's MANY church burnings. A very good read.

by **legolas_the_fair** » Fri Sep 14, 2001 12:39 pm

Im sorry but how are deftones not metal?? It seems to me that you are all just into black metal..I'm not saying thats bad but you really dont know much about music category's. Deftones wouldnt be listed as rock! Theyre metal! No matter what you say... Not sure what songs you've heard...'perhaps be quiet and drive' made you think theyre not.

by **Saruman** » Fri Sep 14, 2001 3:51 pm

It was Varg who killed Euronymous? ! ? That ******* ! ! I didn't know that , never connected Euronymous' murder with Varg's imprisonment . . Euronymous was awesome . Varg is the man behind Burzum , correct? >>It seems to me that you are all just into black metal<< Not true , in fact I like most other types of metal more than black metal . I like every type of metal except goth metal and death metal , and even in those genres there are a few bands I can find which I like . >> . . I'm not saying thats bad but you really dont know much about music category's . << I don't know much about categorization of music in general , but I know a lot about metal genres and labeling . >>Deftones wouldnt be listed as rock ! Theyre metal ! No matter what you say . . . << Actually they have more in common with hip-hop than metal . Most of these bands calling themselves "nu-metal" are in fact little more than hip-hop bands with some noisy guitars and angry/rapping vocals . >>Not sure what songs you've heard . . . 'perhaps be quiet and drive' made you think theyre not . << I have heard plenty of Deftones . . . their whole White Pony album (terrible) and a few songs off their other cds .

by **BlackGoat** » Fri Sep 14, 2001 4:02 pm

Yes, Varg is the man behind Burzum. My signature is some of the lyrics to the Burzum song "Key To The Gate". And yes, he did kill Euronymous. Euronymous was pretty damn cool too, I agree. De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas was a most excellent black metal album. I neither am into just black metal. I fully appericate all types of real metal. Whether it be classic, power, thrash, death, doom, or black. Everyone knows Deftones aren't metal. It's like common sense.

by **Haefalas** » Fri Sep 14, 2001 7:30 pm

What about pantera... I think i saw them mentioned above but i suggest going further.. IN FLAMES ARE SUPPORTING SLIPKNOT IN NOVEMBER <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0> HOW COULD THEY GO SO SLOW <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0> well i don't mind... they get the fame they deserve <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>

by **BlackGoat** » Fri Sep 14, 2001 7:41 pm

Pantera are metal, man. I dunno why all the mainstream people like em. That's alright if In Flames are supporting Slipknot. I'd just go see In Flames and then get out of there.

by **Lysandros** » Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:10 pm

Kinda of a strange combo...Slipknot and In Flames. In response to legolas- I am sure most of us don't listen exclusively to black metal, it just happens to be the topic right now! We could talk about other metal I suppose but in reality, apart from crappy wanna-be new metal (mostly American metal), black metal is probably the most exciting scene right now. Death metal is essentially dead except for a few innovative bands and those bands that really founded the genre have moved onto different styles. My favourite DM bands were Entombed and Amorphis. Both moved away from DM in 94 and (in my opinion) have only gotten better. Someone said below that they liked old Entombed more but I disagree. Uprising was a rockin' metal album (but definately not DM). What I have heard of the new album, "Morningstar" sounds wicked too. Amorphis are too brilliant for words.

by **whiplashed99** » Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:30 pm

What does everyone think about Opeth? I think they are one of the most talented bands out there . Correct if I'm wrong but they are Progressive Death Metal aren't they? I like a crap load of other stuff too though espeacially In Flames , Metallica , Megadeth , Children of Bodom , Iced Earth , Amorphis , BloodBath , Pantera , Slayer , Anthrax , Judas Priest , Black Sabbath , Ozzy and Blind Guardian . Everyone thinks that Emperor and Cradle of Filth are so great but I think they're rather repetitive . Thats just my opinion though and everyone's entitled to their own . Later . - John

by **whiplashed99** » Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:30 pm

What does everyone think about Opeth? I think they are one of the most talented bands out there . Correct if I'm wrong but they are Progressive Death Metal aren't they? I like a crap load of other stuff too though espeacially In Flames , Metallica , Megadeth , Children of Bodom , Iced Earth , Amorphis , BloodBath , Pantera , Slayer , Anthrax , Judas Priest , Black Sabbath , Ozzy and Blind Guardian . Everyone thinks that Emperor and Cradle of Filth are so great but I think they're rather repetitive . Thats just my opinion though and everyone's entitled to their own . Later . - John

by **BlackGoat** » Fri Sep 14, 2001 11:15 pm

Opeth? I dunno if I would call them progressive death metal. I'd just call them straightforward death metal with a bit of classical metal thrown in. Nothing really progressive about them. I like some of their stuff, but sometimes the clean vocals ruin it for me.

by **Saruman** » Sat Sep 15, 2001 9:19 am

There's really nothing progressive about Opeth. They call themselves progressive but don't really know the meaning of the word. I've downloaded a few Opeth songs and they really don't do much for me. In fact, they were so unremarkable I can't even remember the song titles.

by **Lysandros** » Sat Sep 15, 2001 12:06 pm

I have heard the song Blackwater Park by Opeth. I agree that it is not terribly progressive but I kinda liked it.

by **legolas_the_fair** » Sun Sep 16, 2001 10:41 am

OK sorry to keep at this but you're wrong!! How in the world can you link deftones and hip-hop???!? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> What have they got in common?? And theyre not exactly nu-metal either. They dont rap at all in their songs. Now I'm not saying you have to like em or anything, but you need to understand that they are metal. Comparing them to nu-metal or hop-hop is just ******** <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif"border=0>

by **whiplashed99** » Sun Sep 16, 2001 11:17 am

Ok I'll admit they aren't always the most progressive thing ever but the elements are deffinitely there. Blackwater Park is deffinitely a great album though along with the rest, if you've heard something you don't like by them take a listen to Deamon of the Fall or Dirge for November and listen to the all the wat through. You prolly wont be disappointed. Later. -John

by **Lysandros** » Sun Sep 16, 2001 1:48 pm

legolas: the fact that they rap in their songs at all turns me away from them. They are NOT metal. I would call them alternative. Don't get mad at us, we didn't define the genres and the deftones bring this classification on themselves through their steadfast determination to suck. Indeed, it is in the deftones favour commercially not to appear metal. Sure some nu metal bands are big but bands can be far more commercially successful if they do not appear metal. I point to the infamous example of Sugar Ray. Now granted they were not metal to begin with but their first album was an almighty rock spectacle! One sellout song later they start churning out bubblegum pap album after album. Why? They make 100X more money that way.

by **Saruman** » Sun Sep 16, 2001 3:33 pm

Actually Whiplash, I just checked and Demon of the Fall is one of the songs I downloaded. I guess this means I am disappointed.

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