The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and Tolkien - The One Ring

by **The,real,Maeglin** » Mon Mar 25, 2002 4:38 am

Well due to Drieske, i'm reading this great serie<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Thanks so much Drieske<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> The books are great, the dialogues cool, the magic in all the books is intriguing and the struggle of Richard is good written<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Right now i'm reading book three in the serie, and although i liked the first two better it's great<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> For me, after Tolkien's work the best serie<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> anyone else read these books or have an opinion about them??

by **drieske** » Mon Mar 25, 2002 6:37 am

Good books should be shared as often as possible, it's my pleasure Maeglin <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>, and Terry Goodkind is my second writer too, after Tolkien. Btw, book four "the Temple of winds" is superb, just like "Wizard's first rule"!

by **JrrT** » Mon Mar 25, 2002 8:52 am

These are really great books!!! I actually got my dad reading them..so must be good!! Because of him I am only on the second book!!!! (It takes him abt 4 months to read one)

by **The,real,Maeglin** » Tue Mar 26, 2002 2:54 am

Wizard's first rule was great<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> and i loved the second book!<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Lol i'm even learning something myself.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> LOL JrrT, so your dad keeps you slowly away from this great serie?? Can't you look over his shoulder??<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>

by **Hobbituk** » Tue Mar 26, 2002 2:55 am

I really enjoyed the first ones, the last one though is among the worst books I have ever read...<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0> which is a real shame.

by **Inwir_Draunimion** » Tue Mar 26, 2002 11:44 am

I agree drieske, Temple of the Winds was awesome.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>

by **Inwir_Draunimion** » Tue Mar 26, 2002 11:46 am

BTW, does anybody know when the series is ending? I stopped reading after Temple because I like to read the whole series from beginning to end and so I'm stuck waiting for the last book. How many in the series?

by **Tygarya** » Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:59 pm

There is two more after TotW that i am aware of. Don't you all think the sexual overtones go a bit far though??? I liked them apart from that <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Tyg xxx

by **The,real,Maeglin** » Wed Mar 27, 2002 2:10 am

Tygarya<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Indeed that surprised me too, especially in "Blood of the Fold" i think many sexual overtones are made, i don't know if it will be more in the next books, but it surprised me, not annoying though<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Hobbituk<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> the last book among the worst books you have ever read ?? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> *gasp* that doesn't sound...eh.. to good<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>

by **drieske** » Wed Mar 27, 2002 5:02 am

After the 'Temple of winds' comes 'Soul of the fire'(weak <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0>), and 'Faith of the fallen'... the first and fourth book definitely the best! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>

by **Hobbituk** » Wed Mar 27, 2002 5:09 am

...and after Faith of the Fallen comes 'Pillars of Creation' which is a terrible excuse for a book. Believe me...and my standards aren't usually that high. I think Terry has signed a deal for the series to last ten books, but don't quote me on that.

by **Herald_of_Gil-galad** » Wed Mar 27, 2002 5:11 am

I love the Sword of Truth series. Wizard's First Rule and the Temple of the Winds are the best books by Terry Goodkind. The most recent book "The Pillars of Creation" is aweful! Richard and Kahlan aren't even in the book until the last 100 pg.s!!! I would highly recommend reading Debt of Bones instead - it is a short novella that serves as a prequel to the first book. Personally, I like how Goodkind's books are more "adult" in terms of gore and sexuality. It gives it a harsh realism that most other fantasy books don't have today. All I have to say is those Mord-Sith are some ~mighty~ fearsome ladies! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0>

by **Durin VIII** » Wed Mar 27, 2002 8:00 am

I just read Wizards First Rule last month. I was liking it until near the end when you he gets into the entire S&M thing. Not that I have trouble with that on principle, but it did not fit the book up until then. If I want to read porn I will read porn, but I was looking for an entertaining fantasy novel and I was getting that until the final 1/3 of the book, and then I got a PG-13 version of Anne Rice's Beauty books. This section killed my desire to read the rest of the series.

by **Mithfânion** » Wed Mar 27, 2002 8:55 am

Is there a lot of sexual content in his books? Between whom is the S&M? Between the two leads?

by **§ol** » Wed Mar 27, 2002 10:48 am

Funny...I really liked the first one, and the second I thought was decent...but them, IMHO, it went downhill for 3, 4, 5...and then Faith of the Fallen was fantastic <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> I guess that's partially my opinion that each author should forge his own path, and he was just doing a sort of Wheel of Time rehash (they have much of the same feel) up until that point...I haven't read PoC yet though.

by **Eponine** » Wed Mar 27, 2002 12:00 pm

I loved the first book in this series, but when it got to the third, I started to get sick of the whole 'Richard & Kahlan 4 Eva!' thing. If there is less of a focus on that in the later books, I might go back to it eventually, but every time they do the 'Oh, darling, we love each other more than anyone else ever has in the history of time, but we cannot be together! How can we bear it?' it makes me want to vomit. It didn't bother me the FIRST time they did that plot...

by **Tygarya** » Wed Mar 27, 2002 4:00 pm

I liked Grak!!!! He was cool!!! Oh, and the Mord-sith, wow!!! Tyg xxx

by **mikechim** » Wed Mar 27, 2002 10:47 pm

I agree with Hobbituk and Herald_of_Gil-galad the most recent book was horrible. I liked the series up til then, but the last was just so bad, nothing happened, nothing at all. On another thread I gave a detailed outline of the book to someone who had never read it while I was reading it, anyway in a couple paragraphs I had what took Goodkind 200 some pages, I never even finished the review off because the rest of the book was so horrible and the undetailed reviews given by others were more then enough. It's a shame I really liked the series and Cara up til this. As far as sexual overtones I thought it was a little overdone to (way to many women abused and raped I thought goodkind had something against women) until I read Martin's work.... theres some messed up stuff in there, everything from incest to pedophilia. (yeah I know that's what happened in the story he based it off of, war of the roses or something war of the lions I don't know some history) but it's still messed up.

by **Hobbituk** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 2:27 am

Yes, some of Goodkind's stuff is quite sexually explicit, nowhere near as bad as Martin's, but still not the sort of thing you would let your kids read.

by **The,real,Maeglin** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 2:35 am

Like i said the sexual thing doesn't bother me, it makes it indeed more realistic i guess<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> LOL and the Mord-sith are indeed dangerous womans<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> yes i love gratch<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Grrraatchhh luuuuuggg Ricchaaarrgggg <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> LOL and when Gratch meets Zeph... BAGS you hairy pack of wings...ROTFLMAO<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>

by **Hobbituk** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 6:06 am

Thats the other thing that annoys me though Terry comes up with some great characters, like Gratch and Chase and Rachel and Scarlet and many others, then you never see them again! despite the fact they pass within close proximity of where they supposedly are!!!

by **The,real,Maeglin** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 6:15 am

You never see them anymore??<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> Scarlet and Gratch are great.....<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-crying.gif"border=0>

by **Mithfânion** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 7:35 am

I'd love to know about the War of the Lions, anyone fill me in? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>

by **mikechim** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 9:20 pm

It (actually war of the roses) was mentioned in this thread, didn't research it myself though http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhiteco ... adid=32909 The sex doesn't bother me (Cara Kahlan actually both sound pretty hot, I wouldn't mind settling Cara down <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> ) anway it's the raping of women and abuse towards them that I thought was a little unnecessary in Goodkinds books. Basically every women was abused or raped in the story. That's kinda messed up. None the less it was a good series til the most recent book. Hopefully he doesn't try to stretch the story out anymore. Yeah whatever happened to Gratch, he was a good character.

by **deathstar** » Sat Mar 30, 2002 1:56 pm

I didn't know there are a lot of other torc people who like Goodkind's books. I definitely agree that the first book is the best but i'm not sure about the fourth book though. It was kind of hard to digest. I especially like the fact that the main character is very powerful yet he doesn't know how to use it properly.

by **LiMuBai** » Sun Mar 31, 2002 7:40 pm

i haven't read Pillars of Creation yet but i haven't heard of any good impressions of that one. my favorite is "Faith of the Fallen" ...

by **Lady_Undomiel** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 12:22 pm

I really like the Sword of Truth series. I have read all the seven current books (I have yet to read the prequel Debt of Bones. I believe that as said above terry intend to write a total of 10 books in the series. I know many people did not like the last book Pillars of Creation, and although I didn't enjoy it as much of the other books I still thought it was good. I knew before hand that Kalhan and Richard were not going to be in it much as I was prepared for that. I think one of the reason why the fan didn't enjoy it as much as the others as Terry's previous books had set the expectations that Kalhan and Richard were always the main characters. I however thought it was interesting to see Terry write about the other characters. And also to see the situation from the "other side" of the war. I also think it will be interesting to see what Terry comes up with when he finishes the Sword of Truth series

by **The,real,Maeglin** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 2:53 am

Agreed lady Undomiel<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> well i finished the third book and laughed my as# off about Gratch again<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> yes indeed the raping of almost every woman, or the intend towards it is a bit annoying..."it takes a wicked mind to make wicked books/or films they say<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>)

by **ArPharazon** » Fri Apr 05, 2002 1:00 pm

I am certainly not against sex in novels - indeed, i wish there was more, as many of the themes of fantasy carry erotic weight. However, I was totally put off Goodkind by the blatant S&M scene about two thirds of the way through the first book. It struck me that Goodkind was exxcited by this idea, may even have written it beforehand in a different context - then written the book so that he could insert it. The style is so different to the rest of the book - extra detail, more excitement in the wrting, a totally different tone - that it sticks out like a sore thumb. If the man wants to write erotica thats fine by me - I might even buy it - but this was false. The whole section (80 pages or so) could be taken out of the book without harming the plot. Proof, if any is wanted that it is irreleant to that story and place. I found it, having followed the character - distasteful and unnecessary. I would be interested to hear a detailed defence of why the scene should be there, and - as i have not bothered with any of the other books in the series - whether similar scenes appear in the remaining volumes??

by **Matrim** » Fri Apr 05, 2002 1:49 pm

I love the series. Right now I just started Faith of the Fallen. I happened across these books quite by accident. I was looking for a new series to read at that time to which worked out perfectly because Im going nuts waiting for book 10 of the Wheel of Time series. Anyways, I really like how Richard doesnt really loath about being thrust into power. I know he doesnt like it but unlike Rand n WOT he isnt totally wrapped up in self pity. Just the thoughts of a babling fool.

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