Tuor Elendil
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Posted: Fri May 8, 2009 1:11 am |
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What you dont like about the trilogy....?
Hullo..
Is there something in the Trilogy that you dont like? I mean something that shouldnt have been done or put into film or any other "mistake"?
Well than, share it with us!
I myself have a few points:
1- Speaking about the whole Trilogy, there were some events (not new words) that were not in the book that were added to the movie, and some things that certain characters have done have been given to other characters in the movie.
2- In the Fellowship of the Ring, when Aragorn runs over to Boromir after he is shot by arrows, we see Aragorn running and jumping over dead Uruks, one of them as soons as Aragorn runs over him, he just sits up and looks toward Aragorn. You may say that he is not dead, but from the way he sits up, it's like he's saying "Are we done yet?"
3- There was something in the Two Towers that Im trying to remember 
4- In Battle of the Pelennor fields (Return of the King) while the Rohirrim are charing, you can see Eomer picking up his spear while riding his horse. What I mean is, he wasnt carrying a spear, and when he moves out his hand to his right, its like he took the spear from someone. IMHO, its not that realistic.
What other points do you think that could've been better?
Cheers!
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soulless accountant
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Posted: Fri May 8, 2009 1:40 am |
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Ok, I'll bite.
Not mistakes or anything like that, but..
I really hated how Legolas was depicted as some sort of 'super elf' in the trilogy. it was a bit ridiculous in "fellowship" when he was fighting the cave troll, got a bit more silly/lame when he was fighting wargs and skateboarding in "two towers" and finally the takedown of the mumak/oliphant in return of the king had me looking for a cape and tights... sure he was a badass in the book, but nowhere near anything like that.
Another item of frustration was how Gimli was portrayed.. Jackson in his infinite wisdom took my favorite character from the book and made him a comic relief character who sobs on Balin's grave.. Tolkien's dwarves were not like that at all! what! If anything, its the elves who were comic relief, always singing, making merry, etc.. dwarves were more serious, stoic, etc.
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Diamond of Long Cleeve
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Posted: Fri May 8, 2009 1:55 am |
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Re: What you dont like about the trilogy....?
Tuor Elendil said:
3- There was something in the Two Towers that Im trying to remember
LOL. 
That little Osgiliath diversion, maybe?  Too much Aragorn/Arwen kissy-kissy? TTT is the film that causes the die-hard geeks (like moi) the most pain, I think.
There are
lots
of things I don't like, Tuor. About all of the films.
There are also lots of things I
love
... and for those splendidly iconic moments on screen, I can forgive PJ a
lot.
For me, the good has always definitely outweighed the bad.
Even TTT has many scenes I really, really like. More in the first half of the film than the second. 
I don't dislike something in the films just because it's different from the book. That's never been my stance, and it never is my stance regarding all adaptations of books I love. As an example of my non-purism, I actually really love the Elves turning up at Helm's Deep. Because it's so Silmarillion.
I dislike something in the films if I think it's an inconsistency, or badly handled, or just plain stupid, or if it really, IMO, goes against the spirit of Tolkien ... making Gimli too much of a comic buffoon, as
soullessaccountant
points out, is in that category. That doesn't mean I wince at all of Gimli's lines though. (I
love
the banter between him and Legolas at Helm's Deep. )
I don't like how Film Frodo was less mature and steely than Book Frodo. That's one of my lasting dislikes. That is not to say I dislike everything about Elijah's performance, because that is emphatically not the case.
But, overall, more bouquets than brickbats for PJ from me.
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Tuor Elendil
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Posted: Fri May 8, 2009 2:39 am |
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Of course!
Those things will never affect our love to the Trilogy or to Peter Jackson!
But you do sometimes wish that it was better and better!
And for the scene I didnt like in TTT was in the extended edition - I just cant remember. I'll have to see it again to write it.
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Posted: Fri May 8, 2009 6:25 am |
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As for myself, I've always had trouble getting through some of the inaccuracies of the movie. But then I think to myself, "Wait,... These films weren't made only for Tolkien nerds such as I."
The films were good, and I think PJ is a fantastic director. But as someone who's read the books many times, it's easy to point out what "should've been done."
I have a love/hate relationship with the trilogy. Clearly.
DTD22
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Tuor Elendil
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 1:20 pm |
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Aha!
I remembered what I didnt like about the Two Towers..
In the Battle for Helms Deep, when Aragorn and Theoden king ride together on the causeway, bumping into Uruks, you can see that last two riders.. they're just swinging their swords at nothing as the Uruks infront of them are already slain by Aragorn, Theoden or the other riders. You can easily tell that they're computer generated.
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 2:36 pm |
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The one thing I still can't wrap my head around was how Arwen somehow became tied to the fate of the Ring. Did I miss something? What did she have to do with
anything?
That's the
one
thing I really, truly, honestly cannot get over & absolutely despise. The inconsistencies that you mentioned, TE, to me are just tiny annoyances that have to be dealt with in pretty much every movie ever made. Whatever. But the Arwen/Ring-thing just didn't hack it. Completely ridiculous.
/rant
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 2:45 pm |
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A few elements that I disliked:
1. Much of the strategy in the movie seemed poorly planned or almost senseless. For example, Gandalf and Aragorn treat Theoden's decision to retreat to Helm's Deep as weak and timid - but facing an army of ten thousand well-trained Uruk-hai with only three hundred soldiers, many of whom are old men or young boys who had to take up arms because of the emergency, in a regular pitched battle, would be even more suicidal than facing them from a strongly fortified position. Aragorn urges Theoden to send for reinforcements, at a point when the Uruk-hai are due to arrive that very evening: the help would never arrive in time. And Faramir's assault on Osgiliath is so hopelessly foolhardy that it's no surprise that his men are all killed - it can probably only be explained by Denethor's descent into madness and Faramir's own despair.
2. Many characters get from one place to another too quickly, particularly the Elves at Helm's Deep (they apparently depart from Lothlorien after Saruman's army leaves Isengard, but reach Helm's Deep before the Uruks do) and Elrond at Dunharrow.
There are more, but I thought I'd name these for starters.
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Tuor Elendil
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 2:56 pm |
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The only semi-plausible explanation I can think of (and it might not even be what Peter Jackson had in mind):
Arwen's sacrifice of her Elvish nature somehow makes her vulnerable to Sauron's malice, which is in some unexplained way attacking her. The only way to protect her from Sauron's preternatural assault is to break his power by destroying the Ring.
And even that doesn't entirely work because it doesn't explain why Arwen, alone among all the people of Middle-earth, is so vulnerable to Sauron's evil will.
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Tuor Elendil
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 10:33 pm |
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Maybe she isn't so vulnerable but Pete has exaggerated about this.. 
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 2:54 am |
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I suspect that Peter Jackson and Co. put it in simply in order to beef up the Aragorn-and-Arwen part of the story without thinking of the logic of it.
(Sometimes I wonder if they really wanted to make a movie version of "The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen" from the Appendices, but knew that it wouldn't be as commercially viable as a movie version of "The Lord of the Rings".)
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 11:03 am |
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It occurs to me that it could also be taken as "She may have as few as 100 years left," since Elrond says it after she gives up her immortality.
Still a stupid line, though.
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 12:53 pm |
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I'd have to say - the tone. The variation from high epic to the sort of coarse and over-wrought style used in routine Hollywood action flicks, drags the films down IMO. Example: the punch up in Meduseld followed by the fine scene at Theoden's grave.
The comedy varies too much in tone also, with cheery hobbity humour, the mostly excellent Gollum humour, and the heavy-handed Gimli-butt-of-all-jokes and forced gag stuff.
Some of the plotting, from the breaking of the Fellowship onwards, is incomprehensible and only makes sort-of sense if everybody in ME has mobile phones and e-mail. The characters know too much (without any explanation of how they know) and get around too easily: the effect is to shrink ME.
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 2:23 pm |
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Queen_Beruthiel said:
I'd have to say - the tone. The variation from high epic to the sort of coarse and over-wrought style used in routine Hollywood action flicks, drags the films down IMO. Example: the punch up in Meduseld followed by the fine scene at Theoden's grave.
You're absolutely right ... although I must confess to always being mightily entertained by the Meduseld punch-up. 
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The comedy varies too much in tone also, with cheery hobbity humour, the mostly excellent Gollum humour, and the heavy-handed Gimli-butt-of-all-jokes and forced gag stuff.
Oh, it's all over the place! The hobbit-humour is mostly OK (although poor Pippin is made to look too thick at times), Gimli the comic buffoon is horribly overdone. Although I do laugh at Legolas's 'perhaps you would like me to fetch you a box' line at Helm's Deep, and Gimli's booming laugh in reply. I love Aragorn's 'it's the beards' (about Dwarf women ) but that stupid stew scene with him and Eowyn, oh boy, why did they bother ... 
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Some of the plotting, from the breaking of the Fellowship onwards, is incomprehensible and only makes sort-of sense if everybody in ME has mobile phones and e-mail.
 Yes, a good example of that is Denethor turning up in Osgiliath and ordering Boromir to get himself to Rivendell because Elrond has called a Council. Bzuh? But I love that whole scene so much (the brothers in Osgiliath) that I can forgive such outrageous non-canonicity.
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The characters know too much (without any explanation of how they know) and get around too easily: the effect is to shrink ME.
Actually ... that really doesn't bother me.
It would have been interesting if PJ had shown Middle-earth as more of a wilderness, though ...
I love the bleak, melancholy atmosphere that Boorman created in his
Excalibur
. PJ's style is very operatic and very
BUSY.
Sometimes, too busy.
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 2:57 pm |
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I was also disappointed with how they handled Merry in the early part of the movie (though I know that this falls more under "they changed it from the book" than "it doesn't make sense, even in the world of the movie"). In the book, he's serious and responsible from his first appearance (helping Frodo sort things out at Bag End in the confusion following Bilbo's appearance, including trying to keep the Sackville-Bagginses from pestering Frodo). In the movie, he's a mischievous trouble-maker, stealing first Gandalf's dragon firework, then Farmer Maggot's crops, with Pippin as his partner in crime. It's almost as bad a case of character degeneration as what the movies did to Faramir and Gimli, though I don't think it's brought up as often.
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:18 pm |
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Making things up. Though not sin, in this case I just didn't like it.
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 1:17 pm |
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I loved the films - spent the first two hours of FortR thinking "I can't believe I am actually watching Middle-earth brought to life, finally..." I really thought it might have been so much worse if it had been made to normal Hollywood standards...
BUT
There are many things that disappointed me: FaramirOsgiliation, ok ,annoying, but I can ignore that for the most part; Definite no-no was the WiKi scene where he breaks Gandalf's staff, and the whole character assassination of Denethor was my biggest bug bear. If nothing else, PJ should have made it clear that it was Denethor's use of a second palantir that had driven him over the edge. I particularly thought that his death scene could have been so much more effective and gone some way towards redeeming his character had they kept to the book.
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 2:26 pm |
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I remember that Peter Jackson argued that bringing in a second palantir would have confused the audience - though with some skillful use of dialogue, that could have been averted. As the movie stands, it seems as if Denethor's actions stem purely from madness. (Perhaps he's so angry about the thought of possibly being replaced by Aragorn that he'd rather see Sauron conquer Gondor than lose it to a Ranger from the North.)
And Denethor running off in a ball of fire completely destroyed the gravity of the moment, I also thought.
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Posted: Tue Aug 4, 2009 12:24 pm |
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I had a lot of problems with the messed up distances and chronology in the first third of "Fellowship", and Pippin and Merry stealing vegtables from Maggot's garden (ouch).
I also thought they never made clear to someone not famliar with the books why Frodo had to depart Middle Earth. And All they needed was one scene in which Frodo reverted to his "ring addict" mode which really happens in the book. In the DVD commentary ,Jackson actually admits he is not happy with this aspect.
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Posted: Tue Aug 4, 2009 5:12 pm |
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What didn't I like about the trilogy?
Parts I, II & III
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:14 am |
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The Trolls bilbos and the one in Moria, they got it all wrong they dont look like trolls they should have hair they just look like monsters, which isnt what they are. Its not so much the quality of how they were done its just the look, they should have been different    
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