rwhen
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 1:23 pm |
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Hello again PCE heads!!
Eru, well the thread was never locked or anything, and the moderators did not ask to close it. I didn't want to have posts being made while there was discussion about the thread.
Sorry that you had so much to do that you couldn't enjoy the holiday, but it is good that you got done what you needed to do for your schooling. Always important.
Vanadarlin', thank you sweetie. We will see how it goes, it is already 1:30 and I still have some work to get done, but the largest part is completed. 143 my friend. to you my SSOTH. |
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Love is as big or as little as a hug!!
I will always treasure and remember your appreciation. Thank you. -2007 WCA's
Overwhelmed by your support and appreciation. Thank you. - 2008 WCA's
The Expected Party!!
is now on the road to Gondor to celebrate. Join us.
Also trying to get
Tyg and Maedhros wed.
and getting into trouble with
Rally The Eldar.
Time out of Mind, forever bound to my Knight Ayslhyn
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GwenElf
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 2:08 pm |
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Hello from class!! Saaavvee meeeeee from the Roman economy! |
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Life. Imagine the potential.
R.I.P. James Pouillon
, Sept. 11th, 2009. Shot and killed in Owosso, MI, while peacefully protesting abortion.
Carpe caffeam; seize the coffee!
"What is this red liquid coming from my paw?"
"It's called
blood
, hero."
"...do I need it?"
~Bolt
Writing Aramir in
The Expected Party
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My TORC angel has struck again times threeeee!! I feel loved!
Thaaaank youuuu!
<--Feeling Hellenic! Photo by me. |
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Erufailon.Atanvarno
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 2:10 pm |
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14:09, falling asleep in my classes. Time to study some econ.
*pulls out sword and charges to Sil's defence* |
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"Wherever you go, no matter what the weather, always bring your own sunshine."
<-- Amazing shirts by
Glennz
My pictures on
Flickr
Check out my
blog
that I've started where I talk about books, photography, and any awesome events that I go to. Review of the last 3 books I've read up so far. Magic bread recipe coming soon!
-Amateur Photographer --> Nikon D90 18-105mm
-Halo 3 --> Warthog Gunner/Objective Ninja
-Volleyball --> Coach, captain, referee, and fan
-Expert Skier --> Volkl Bridge 177
-Constant reader --> The Sword of Truth by Terry Goodkind, The Social Contract by Jean Jacques Rousseau, The Invisible Hand by Adam Smith |
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IrisBrandybuck
Chuck Norris can kill two stones with one bird.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 2:16 pm |
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Sil...you'll be okay, honest.
Eru: what are you studying again?
I found one of my old term papers from high school. That's 15 years ago, folks! It was in German too.
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<----- For some time I had suspected Reginald of wrong doing. Now I believe my own life to be in danger.
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." — American author Mark Twain
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Erufailon.Atanvarno
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 2:20 pm |
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That's cool! I love reading my stuff from elementary school.
I'm taking a Bachelor of Commerce, Iris. |
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"Wherever you go, no matter what the weather, always bring your own sunshine."
<-- Amazing shirts by
Glennz
My pictures on
Flickr
Check out my
blog
that I've started where I talk about books, photography, and any awesome events that I go to. Review of the last 3 books I've read up so far. Magic bread recipe coming soon!
-Amateur Photographer --> Nikon D90 18-105mm
-Halo 3 --> Warthog Gunner/Objective Ninja
-Volleyball --> Coach, captain, referee, and fan
-Expert Skier --> Volkl Bridge 177
-Constant reader --> The Sword of Truth by Terry Goodkind, The Social Contract by Jean Jacques Rousseau, The Invisible Hand by Adam Smith |
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Swordsman_Of_The_Tower
Ideas are weapons
Alliance: Rohan
Last Visited: 19 Nov 2009
Joined: 10 Aug 2002
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Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 2:33 pm |
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My roommate had an adult woman On a horse, dresses as a pirate as one of their 3 trick or treaters. Not sure how many we had, I wasn't home (Usually if I am, I give way more candy then my parents would
I ended up going to the hospital, called my father, and he basically told me I was going, and he would give me the money He told me I was being ridiculous to not go because of money, but I don't understand what my insurance I pay so much for goes for, to have $100 ER co-pays.
At least my prescription was free. Thanks Stop and Shop  |
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Maria Maria
She reminds me of a west side story
Growing up in Spanish Harlem
She's living the life just like a movie star
Maria Maria
She fell in love in East L.A.
To the sounds of the guitar
Played by Carlos Santana
Stop the looting, stop the shooting
Pick pocking on the corner
See as the rich is getting richer
The poorer is getting poorer
See mi y Maria on the corner
Thinking of ways to make it better
In my mailbox there's an eviction letter
Somebody just said see you later
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rwhen
Gettin' Older
Alliance: Grey Havens
Last Visited: 20 Nov 2009
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 2:34 pm |
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*reaches through her computer and plucks Sil right out of class*
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Love is as big or as little as a hug!!
I will always treasure and remember your appreciation. Thank you. -2007 WCA's
Overwhelmed by your support and appreciation. Thank you. - 2008 WCA's
The Expected Party!!
is now on the road to Gondor to celebrate. Join us.
Also trying to get
Tyg and Maedhros wed.
and getting into trouble with
Rally The Eldar.
Time out of Mind, forever bound to my Knight Ayslhyn
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Erufailon.Atanvarno
Captain Romania
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Last Visited: 20 Nov 2009
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 2:50 pm |
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Glad to hear it Lewie!
Wow, this girl sitting across from me looks just like my ex-girlfriends mom. Almost did a double take. |
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"Wherever you go, no matter what the weather, always bring your own sunshine."
<-- Amazing shirts by
Glennz
My pictures on
Flickr
Check out my
blog
that I've started where I talk about books, photography, and any awesome events that I go to. Review of the last 3 books I've read up so far. Magic bread recipe coming soon!
-Amateur Photographer --> Nikon D90 18-105mm
-Halo 3 --> Warthog Gunner/Objective Ninja
-Volleyball --> Coach, captain, referee, and fan
-Expert Skier --> Volkl Bridge 177
-Constant reader --> The Sword of Truth by Terry Goodkind, The Social Contract by Jean Jacques Rousseau, The Invisible Hand by Adam Smith |
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RoseMorninStar
Humble gardener of the Shire
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 4:22 pm |
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*Helps rwhen save Sil from class.*
Eru.. maybe she's stalking you. Did you treat her daughter nicely?
Lewie.. I'm glad you got some proper medical attention.
rhwennie dear, I hope you get insurance coverage SOON.
Vana.. the insurance problem has been building over the last 10 years with costs skyrocketing. The profits involved in the insurance business is astronomically ridiculous. I think (if I properly recall, but I'm not that good with numbers) that my hubby told me that the CEO of our insurance company last year earned $102,000.00 dollars EVERY minute of EVERY day last year. NO ONE needs to make that kind of money at the expense of everyone elses health. The lobbying in congress to KEEP it that way is obscene. They should be ashamed of themselves.
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Swordsman_Of_The_Tower
Ideas are weapons
Alliance: Rohan
Last Visited: 19 Nov 2009
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Location: Massachusetts
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Maria Maria
She reminds me of a west side story
Growing up in Spanish Harlem
She's living the life just like a movie star
Maria Maria
She fell in love in East L.A.
To the sounds of the guitar
Played by Carlos Santana
Stop the looting, stop the shooting
Pick pocking on the corner
See as the rich is getting richer
The poorer is getting poorer
See mi y Maria on the corner
Thinking of ways to make it better
In my mailbox there's an eviction letter
Somebody just said see you later
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Cock-Robin
Friend of Eagles
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Location: Walking around the country and seeing folk
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 5:39 pm |
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I just signed up for the health insurance at work, though I had to get a high deductible so I can afford it. I do wish that "pre-existing condition" prohibition would be ended.
And I'm glad this thread is re-opened. May it never close again!
My next goal? Well, anybody remember that old song:
In The Year 2525
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Bard of the Eagles, Bard's Guild
And all those who see me
And all who believe in me
Share in the freedom I feel when I fly!
The Eagle and the Hawk, John Denver
Gwaeryn and Robin, The Expected Party!
Meneldor and Brondgast, Knights in Training
Boartooth the Mace, Redemption: The Reckoning
Alatar, Pallando and Meneldor, Darkness Triumphant: The Resistance |
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RoseMorninStar
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Erufailon.Atanvarno
Captain Romania
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 6:16 pm |
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I'm waiting for 2552. If anyone gets the reference before I get there, you can haz cookie. |
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"Wherever you go, no matter what the weather, always bring your own sunshine."
<-- Amazing shirts by
Glennz
My pictures on
Flickr
Check out my
blog
that I've started where I talk about books, photography, and any awesome events that I go to. Review of the last 3 books I've read up so far. Magic bread recipe coming soon!
-Amateur Photographer --> Nikon D90 18-105mm
-Halo 3 --> Warthog Gunner/Objective Ninja
-Volleyball --> Coach, captain, referee, and fan
-Expert Skier --> Volkl Bridge 177
-Constant reader --> The Sword of Truth by Terry Goodkind, The Social Contract by Jean Jacques Rousseau, The Invisible Hand by Adam Smith |
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IrisBrandybuck
Chuck Norris can kill two stones with one bird.
Alliance: The Shire
Last Visited: 20 Nov 2009
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 6:18 pm |
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Chinese new year?
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<----- For some time I had suspected Reginald of wrong doing. Now I believe my own life to be in danger.
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." — American author Mark Twain
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GwenElf
Instant awesome, just add mecha!
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 6:57 pm |
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Halo?
*Is saved from class* Yay! Archaeology midterm tomorrow, though; yay?
Augh, insurance. I have some, but I have no idea what it covers and doesn't cover. I guess I'll find out when I go in for my annual eye exam and get sent an outrageous bill. Glad you got everything taken care of, though, Lewie!
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Life. Imagine the potential.
R.I.P. James Pouillon
, Sept. 11th, 2009. Shot and killed in Owosso, MI, while peacefully protesting abortion.
Carpe caffeam; seize the coffee!
"What is this red liquid coming from my paw?"
"It's called
blood
, hero."
"...do I need it?"
~Bolt
Writing Aramir in
The Expected Party
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My TORC angel has struck again times threeeee!! I feel loved!
Thaaaank youuuu!
<--Feeling Hellenic! Photo by me. |
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Erufailon.Atanvarno
Captain Romania
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Last Visited: 20 Nov 2009
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 7:46 pm |
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WAAAHAHH!?!?!?
Either Sil knows her stuff, or she used Google wisely.
You ready for that midterm? I'm wondering if I should take archaeology. My friend also took it and he said it's pretty fun. |
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"Wherever you go, no matter what the weather, always bring your own sunshine."
<-- Amazing shirts by
Glennz
My pictures on
Flickr
Check out my
blog
that I've started where I talk about books, photography, and any awesome events that I go to. Review of the last 3 books I've read up so far. Magic bread recipe coming soon!
-Amateur Photographer --> Nikon D90 18-105mm
-Halo 3 --> Warthog Gunner/Objective Ninja
-Volleyball --> Coach, captain, referee, and fan
-Expert Skier --> Volkl Bridge 177
-Constant reader --> The Sword of Truth by Terry Goodkind, The Social Contract by Jean Jacques Rousseau, The Invisible Hand by Adam Smith |
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RoseMorninStar
Humble gardener of the Shire
Alliance: The Shire
Last Visited: 20 Nov 2009
Joined: 30 May 2004
Posts: 7776
Location: North Shire, USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 9:10 pm |
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Gee.. now I only have a little less than 2,500 posts to go...
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Cock-Robin
Friend of Eagles
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Last Visited: 20 Nov 2009
Joined: 05 Sep 2001
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Location: Walking around the country and seeing folk
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 9:18 pm |
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of course, neither of us have PCE. Uh-uh, no way.  |
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Bard of the Eagles, Bard's Guild
And all those who see me
And all who believe in me
Share in the freedom I feel when I fly!
The Eagle and the Hawk, John Denver
Gwaeryn and Robin, The Expected Party!
Meneldor and Brondgast, Knights in Training
Boartooth the Mace, Redemption: The Reckoning
Alatar, Pallando and Meneldor, Darkness Triumphant: The Resistance |
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Erufailon.Atanvarno
Captain Romania
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Last Visited: 20 Nov 2009
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 9:50 pm |
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I say we're too far behind to have PCE. The closer ones maybe, but we're so behind, we've already been lapped. |
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"Wherever you go, no matter what the weather, always bring your own sunshine."
<-- Amazing shirts by
Glennz
My pictures on
Flickr
Check out my
blog
that I've started where I talk about books, photography, and any awesome events that I go to. Review of the last 3 books I've read up so far. Magic bread recipe coming soon!
-Amateur Photographer --> Nikon D90 18-105mm
-Halo 3 --> Warthog Gunner/Objective Ninja
-Volleyball --> Coach, captain, referee, and fan
-Expert Skier --> Volkl Bridge 177
-Constant reader --> The Sword of Truth by Terry Goodkind, The Social Contract by Jean Jacques Rousseau, The Invisible Hand by Adam Smith |
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Cock-Robin
Friend of Eagles
Alliance: Valinor
Last Visited: 20 Nov 2009
Joined: 05 Sep 2001
Posts: 2294
Location: Walking around the country and seeing folk
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 10:01 pm |
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Eru, that's a wonderful sig picture. I just love bears, especially polar bears. And that is so cute, it has me melting on the spot. |
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Bard of the Eagles, Bard's Guild
And all those who see me
And all who believe in me
Share in the freedom I feel when I fly!
The Eagle and the Hawk, John Denver
Gwaeryn and Robin, The Expected Party!
Meneldor and Brondgast, Knights in Training
Boartooth the Mace, Redemption: The Reckoning
Alatar, Pallando and Meneldor, Darkness Triumphant: The Resistance |
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GwenElf
Instant awesome, just add mecha!
Alliance: House of Beren
Last Visited: 19 Nov 2009
Joined: 04 Feb 2002
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Posted: Tue Nov 3, 2009 6:03 am |
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Sorry, Eru, but I've got to confess to being a good Googler. The extent of my Halo exposure is that I have the (original) soundtrack and have watched my brother and his friends play it.
And I'm with CR--your new sig pic is great!
Ready or not, midterm here I come! In preparation for feeling bad about myself today, for whatever reason, I've dressed rather flamboyantly. We'll see what the department thinks of that...
But anyhow, this class is on the cities and sanctuaries of Ancient Greece, so I've got a lot of temple dates and distinguishing features rattling around in my head. It's hard to use mnemonic devices, too, when there are 6 temples of Hera I need to know!
What kind of archaeology class are you thinking of taking? |
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Life. Imagine the potential.
R.I.P. James Pouillon
, Sept. 11th, 2009. Shot and killed in Owosso, MI, while peacefully protesting abortion.
Carpe caffeam; seize the coffee!
"What is this red liquid coming from my paw?"
"It's called
blood
, hero."
"...do I need it?"
~Bolt
Writing Aramir in
The Expected Party
!
My TORC angel has struck again times threeeee!! I feel loved!
Thaaaank youuuu!
<--Feeling Hellenic! Photo by me. |
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IrisBrandybuck
Chuck Norris can kill two stones with one bird.
Alliance: The Shire
Last Visited: 20 Nov 2009
Joined: 28 Nov 2003
Posts: 13564
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Posted: Tue Nov 3, 2009 6:54 am |
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I've a question...
How many of you use eBay *counts hands*
Okay, when you do, do you actually
read
the item description?
I have an item up...it's slightly damaged in two places. My camera wouldn't let me take good pictures of the spots, which I mention in my description. they're also hard to see, also mentioned. I've had three questions on that, one said, "it sounds like it's badly damaged..." huh? Did you READ the description? Did you look at the pictures? Another asked a question in English so broken I'm still not sure what the question was. I answered anyhow.
This is crazy.
Oh, BTW...it's a Sideshow Weta Balrog. Go. Bid. Now.
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<----- For some time I had suspected Reginald of wrong doing. Now I believe my own life to be in danger.
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." — American author Mark Twain
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Vanaladiel
Ringbearer
Alliance: House of Thranduil
Last Visited: 19 Nov 2009
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Location: Beautiful Pacific Northwest
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Posted: Tue Nov 3, 2009 6:58 am |
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Ryan has used ebay and we have bid on things. We definitely read the description and look it over on the picture.
Perhaps by pointing out the problems and making sure you mention them being difficult to see they are thinking that it means something it does not. Who the heck knows what anyone is thinking these days.  |
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rwhen
Gettin' Older
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Posted: Tue Nov 3, 2009 7:22 am |
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Hello my lovely PCE heads!! And good day to you whatever time it is for you.
I have never bought anything from Ebay, no sold anything on Ebay. My brother does all the time and I will have to, it is where we get phones that are no longer manufactured. So I need to figure it out.
Anyone know how to make my monitor screen less wide? I literally have to turn my head side to side to read a line. It is annoying. Dang thing is like two feet wide and only a foot tall.
Eru, great siggie picture.
Rose, you will get there. Remember when I made the mistake of thinking I was on my last 1,000 and it was really 4,000? Well, here I am. It will happen. Be the ball!! <-------Runaway Bride.
Sil friend Good luck on the midterm today. I will keep all things crossed for you.
I don't even want to talk about insurance. I went shopping recently for health insurance and it is just crazy what a single person, with no company to co-pay has to pay monthly. Just nuts. |
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Love is as big or as little as a hug!!
I will always treasure and remember your appreciation. Thank you. -2007 WCA's
Overwhelmed by your support and appreciation. Thank you. - 2008 WCA's
The Expected Party!!
is now on the road to Gondor to celebrate. Join us.
Also trying to get
Tyg and Maedhros wed.
and getting into trouble with
Rally The Eldar.
Time out of Mind, forever bound to my Knight Ayslhyn
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IrisBrandybuck
Chuck Norris can kill two stones with one bird.
Alliance: The Shire
Last Visited: 20 Nov 2009
Joined: 28 Nov 2003
Posts: 13564
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Posted: Tue Nov 3, 2009 7:41 am |
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And one person does not constitute a "group."
Rwhen, we're looking for a layout person here...we'll train you...you get health insurance.
and a life insurance policy...I haven't quite figured that out...
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<----- For some time I had suspected Reginald of wrong doing. Now I believe my own life to be in danger.
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." — American author Mark Twain
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Cock-Robin
Friend of Eagles
Alliance: Valinor
Last Visited: 20 Nov 2009
Joined: 05 Sep 2001
Posts: 2294
Location: Walking around the country and seeing folk
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Posted: Tue Nov 3, 2009 7:42 am |
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Tell me about it, Rwhen. The two times I was unemployed last year, the COBRA premiums drained my bank account. It is well named.
Look! Rwhen's 40 away. Go for it! And I'm plowing away too. I want my horsey back. |
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Bard of the Eagles, Bard's Guild
And all those who see me
And all who believe in me
Share in the freedom I feel when I fly!
The Eagle and the Hawk, John Denver
Gwaeryn and Robin, The Expected Party!
Meneldor and Brondgast, Knights in Training
Boartooth the Mace, Redemption: The Reckoning
Alatar, Pallando and Meneldor, Darkness Triumphant: The Resistance |
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rwhen
Gettin' Older
Alliance: Grey Havens
Last Visited: 20 Nov 2009
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Posted: Tue Nov 3, 2009 8:40 am |
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You will get that horsey back again CR. Just have to post, be on TORC on your free time and that horsey will come on back into your avatar.
Getting there slowly but surely. |
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Love is as big or as little as a hug!!
I will always treasure and remember your appreciation. Thank you. -2007 WCA's
Overwhelmed by your support and appreciation. Thank you. - 2008 WCA's
The Expected Party!!
is now on the road to Gondor to celebrate. Join us.
Also trying to get
Tyg and Maedhros wed.
and getting into trouble with
Rally The Eldar.
Time out of Mind, forever bound to my Knight Ayslhyn
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rowanberry
Shava!
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Last Visited: 19 Nov 2009
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Location: Living in a yellow submarine
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Posted: Tue Nov 3, 2009 9:29 am |
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Oh, I remember the In the Year 2525 song. Quite a big hit way back when...
Lewie, I'm glad that your father offered to pay the deductible, so you got the boil taken care of. Our health care system isn't the best possible, either, but at least, you don't have to pay an arm and a leg to get to a doctor.
And, last I looked, Rwhen had just 25 to go.  |
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rwhen
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Posted: Tue Nov 3, 2009 9:31 am |
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23 but who is counting.
I remember that song all too well, I used to know every word of it and I haven't clicked on the link because it will be in my head all day long if I do.
How was dancing last night, Rowan? |
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Love is as big or as little as a hug!!
I will always treasure and remember your appreciation. Thank you. -2007 WCA's
Overwhelmed by your support and appreciation. Thank you. - 2008 WCA's
The Expected Party!!
is now on the road to Gondor to celebrate. Join us.
Also trying to get
Tyg and Maedhros wed.
and getting into trouble with
Rally The Eldar.
Time out of Mind, forever bound to my Knight Ayslhyn
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RoseMorninStar
Humble gardener of the Shire
Alliance: The Shire
Last Visited: 20 Nov 2009
Joined: 30 May 2004
Posts: 7776
Location: North Shire, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 3, 2009 9:42 am |
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rwhen.. I DO recall when you miscalculated.. but I couldn't remember how far off we were in the calculations. You've made 4,000 posts since then!???!!!!!
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