Hamfast Gamgee wrote:Well if we have three movies we could end the first one earlier. On a cliffhanger maybe. What about ending the first one just before the eagle rescue? Be a nice cliffie!
GlassHouse wrote:depends on how long the scene with the roller coaster in the Orc caves lasts.
Noria wrote:GlassHouse wrote:depends on how long the scene with the roller coaster in the Orc caves lasts.
Glasshouse, have you ever played The Hobbit video game? I'm way too old to be much of a gamer but I like that one.
Anyway, Bilbo spends ages roaming aroung the Goblin caves doing game stuff and just before he finds the Ring and meets Gollum, he has to escape from the Goblin mines on a mining car roller coaster.
Telemachos wrote:I could see Film 1 ending with them leaving Beorn, but since it's so late in the game I still assume it'll go through the barrel escape. The wild card is all the extra material, since I have no idea how much (and how long) all of it will be.
Elmtree wrote:I agree Barrels is the place to end it, due to it being a logical place to break Bilbo's story. Stuff happened to him (including the finding of the ring and escape from Gollum) but battling the spiders, and then rescuing the Dwarves from the elves are when he really showed what he was made of- he began to be an active force, not a passive one. it's a climax to his character-story, it's an 'end' even though it's followed by more.
we sort of re-set to what seems an earlier Bilbo ("thag you berry buch"), the Baggins from Hobbiton- -but not really. He's different, inside from here on. There is no other place in the story where we have that much of a change- he's been growing to that point, but now he's through it, not as much changed as matured. Strengthened. Maybe he's become himself at this point, so to speak.
But how to get two more films out of the rest of the material? Even with the made up parts?
Who said anything about paying? I get free tickets to my local cinema. Nepotism is a terrible thing..............Diamond of Long Cleeve wrote:I am surprised that anyone who hates PJ's Middle-earth as much as you do is willing to PAY to see it ...
If I hated something that much, I simply wouldn't bother. *shrug*
Noria wrote:I do think it's logical to end the second movie with the death of Smaug because isn't the true climax of the book well after that, with the near descent into interspecies war, the BoFA and Thorin's death?
I feel that Bilbo's story ends with his reconciliation with Thorin.
jsavfusco wrote:As I just posted in another thread, maybe now with three films, PJ could find a way to fit Tom Bombadil's character in there. His whimsical nature would be a good fit for the Hobbit.
Noria wrote:jsavfusco wrote:As I just posted in another thread, maybe now with three films, PJ could find a way to fit Tom Bombadil's character in there. His whimsical nature would be a good fit for the Hobbit.
No offense jsavfusco, but I hope not. Tom is great in the book but I'm not sure that I could bear to actually see him dancing around singing fol-der-olly ding-ding-dong or whatever in 3D 48 FPS.
Seriously, I doubt that we'll see him. Has anyone seen any any indication that previously omitted characters will be added because of the third movie? My thought has been that PJ will just include more about the characters he has already been working with, both stuff already shot and new scenes.
However, I completely agree that Tom Bombadil's a better fit in The Hobbit than PJ's LotR.
Razorback wrote:Noria wrote:Has anyone read the couple of essays TORN has posted in the last few weeks
Nope. I get paid to read pre-teen writing.
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