A View from Inside - finally

What do you think of Tolkien on the silver screen...? Whether Bakshi, Jackson, Amazon, BBC radio play, or whoever else, come on in and discuss your reflections, opinions, and memories...

Postby dhn » Wed Nov 28, 2001 9:54 am

Finarfin, Ron Epstein who wrote the first review now added a more detailed version. Perhaps your review of his review might change. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>http://www.hometheaterforum.com/sneak/lord/lord.html
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Postby hamish_spence » Wed Nov 28, 2001 10:08 am

The forging of the Ring: is it Sauron dropping his blood into molten gold, and the letters lighting up as he speaks? And is he burnt by the heat? That's how I imagined it.
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Postby Leshon-Kahash » Wed Nov 28, 2001 10:12 am

PJ thinks that the best film ever made is King Kong?<BR>Well, that explains the Cave Troll all right...<BR>I don't know about you, but my opinion of A New Hope has changed significantly once I watched it in the context of the whole SW trilogy...<BR>I'll guess we'd have to find out
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Postby Athexx » Wed Nov 28, 2001 1:05 pm

What I find rather funny is that I can count on reading all of these "review" threads and seeing everyone here review the review <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Does this new review live up to our expectations for what a LOTR review should look like?
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Postby Linden » Wed Nov 28, 2001 1:32 pm

<i>i think the 12 and under crowd is going to need a nightlight at best and a psychologists couch at worst after 3 hrs of FOTR!</i><BR><BR>Yes sregis, that's what I gathered already from what you posted. I am pleased to have some advance warning.<BR><BR>One of the beauties of the books is that the form, unlike cinema, is so versatile and can have such wide appeal.<BR><BR>Well, no milk toast, thats for sure.
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Postby llyr_ap_cenydd » Wed Nov 28, 2001 1:50 pm

I would love to know what this source regards as the best film ever made. And does he rate FoTR as a better film than Star Wars.<BR><BR>Being the best film of the last 5 years is certainly a comforting comment. Better than Gladiator, better than the Matrix...
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Postby Bionic_Ant » Wed Nov 28, 2001 1:53 pm

Ohh, my aching expectation...
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Postby Democritus » Wed Nov 28, 2001 1:59 pm

Thats the bit that got my attention as well - "best fantasy movie ever, and best movie of the last five years".<BR><BR>And I expect FOTR to be the "weakest" of the three movies.
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Postby CrimsonKing » Wed Nov 28, 2001 2:12 pm

<i>What I find rather funny is that I can count on reading all of these "review" threads and seeing everyone here review the review </i><BR><BR>I'm rather anticipating the reviews of people's review of the review.<BR><BR>hmmmm <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Laurefinwe » Wed Nov 28, 2001 2:17 pm

Well,if you keep coming back to these threads you'll have to re-view the reviews of the reviews of the reviews.....
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Postby Drogo Baggins » Wed Nov 28, 2001 2:52 pm

As the actual showing gets close I get more nervous about being disappointed. This review, and McKellen's, makes me feel MUCH better<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Thanks!!!
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Postby Ciaran_Gabriel » Wed Nov 28, 2001 5:51 pm

<i>Galdriel, GOOD, Celebron, BAD. </i><BR><BR>OK then, sounds pretty accurate to the book <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Vega » Wed Nov 28, 2001 6:06 pm

<i>. I cannot say it was the best movie I ever saw, </i><BR><BR>That says it all for me. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0> It could have, SHOULD HAVE been! <BR><BR>I'm staying away from all the other reviews from now on. Firstly because I got no time to post now, secondly because I'm planning my own 'review' BEFORE the film comes out <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>, based on the evidence picked up hanging around places like this one and much gut feeling. <BR>I just want it to be a personal 'gut feeling test' <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>For film standards in modern culture check out the channel 4 (UK) Top100 films poll, which put Star Wars as the Greatest Film of All Time (!) <a target=new href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/talking_point/newsid_1677000/1677071.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/talking_point/newsid_1677000/1677071.stm</a><BR><BR>I'm also planning another interesting post before the 'whateveritis' hits the fan. That kind of post requires inspiration and time. Right this minute I'm short on both. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0><BR><BR><BR>Vega<BR><BR><BR>Soon, but not yet.<BR><BR><BR>
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Postby GlamdringsFire » Wed Nov 28, 2001 7:18 pm

hmm... great review! of curse this is all a bunch of hot air going around with us too-nervous fans pacing around gobbling every little morsel of information like a pack of starved Wargs... hmm hmm... everyday i get more excited...
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Postby pavelnash » Thu Nov 29, 2001 1:51 am

I think it's a bit naive to have expected this to be 'the greatest film ever made'. It's a genre film when all's said and done, and rightly or wrongly it could never hope to avoid the sort of reception that genre films inevitably get. It's populist; and will surely be popular, but that ain't the same as 'greatest'. As long as it achieves comparable critical acceptance to 'Blade Runner','the Matrix', 'Terminator', 'Alian', 'Gladiator' and a couple of other 'successful' genre movies I could name, while doing Tolkien's story justice, I for one will be happy as Larry!<BR>Well done Saranthir for getting this review up. Of those I've read (where's the Ian McK' review people are talking about?) it has the truest sense of calm reflection and introspection. I for one am reassured.
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Postby Earnur » Thu Nov 29, 2001 5:22 pm

As for whether this is "the best movie I ever saw" , or "ever made", let's remember that this is really just the first third of the story. LOTR was written as one big book, and the trilogy idea came from the publisher, not from the author. In a few years we'll have the whole story in a 9 hour DVD set and we can revisit the "greatest ever" question again.
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Postby The_Mormegil » Thu Nov 29, 2001 5:57 pm

Ian Mckellen review<BR><a target=new href="http://www.mckellen.com/cinema/lotr/011127.htm">http://www.mckellen.com/cinema/lotr/011127.htm</a>
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Postby Rosamunda » Thu Nov 29, 2001 6:19 pm

Please!! I just wanna know one thing - DOES FRODO SING IN THE PRANCING PONY???????? My friend and I are looking forward to seeing that SOO much!
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Postby Bernd » Thu Nov 29, 2001 6:37 pm

"The Greatest Movie" moniker is so subjective, I can't imagine anyone making the claim about this film or any other.
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Postby Parador~J » Thu Nov 29, 2001 6:40 pm

My heart is pounding, and my breathing is shallow...everytime I read a review, (which has been but a few) I find my emotions so absord in the moment... of every word that is being used to describe that person's experience of seeing the movie LOTRs; it is an incredible feeling and a rush like no other I've experienced...<BR><BR>I think a lot of it is that I have myself so pumped up...anticipating the movie has taken up much of my energy and thoughts <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> It has been a good journey thus far sharing the joy and fun of Tolkien with so many at TORC...<BR><BR>**Thank-you Saranthir for sharing the review with all of us, and a special thanks to the one who risked all to give it...It was an excellant review.<BR><BR>I feel the movie will be a deeply <i>personal</i> experience for the fans of Tolkien's works...at least I know it will be for me...<BR><BR>(No more reviews for me, having a hard time staying focused as it is)
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Postby Axordil » Thu Nov 29, 2001 9:48 pm

Can any adaptation from another medium really be the best movie of all time? Just an idle speculation. I think it's interesting that most critic's lists of the top five or so rarely have adaptations in the top spot, or even the top three...
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Postby TheWagner » Thu Nov 29, 2001 11:27 pm

Um, how could it be the "best" movie ever made? I've seen film critics argue about whether "Citizen Cane" was the best movie ever or tripe. There simply is no way to declare a movie "best" when there are no criteria for deciding that it is good.<BR><BR>Along those lines, I have three friends with PhD's in literature. One loves the Lord of the Rings and thinks it is a great book. Another likes it, but doesn't think it is a great book. The final one (who likes absolutely horrid stuff, in my opinion) thinks that it is childish tripe. So, is Lord of the Rings the best book ever?<BR><BR>If you are lucky, it will be your favorite film in a long time. But there is no point in worrying about best in a genre where there are no objective criteria to evaluate things. <BR><BR>Logically yours....<BR>
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Postby Marty » Sat Dec 01, 2001 4:44 am

Axordil, Gone With the Wind regularly makes top five lists.
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Postby The_Mormegil » Wed Jan 30, 2002 7:52 pm

A question<BR><BR>In the Original review in this thread is the following paragraph<BR><BR><br><br><< <i>Again things are compressed and the chase by the Orcs is quite intense. Frodo is hampered by his injury at the hands of the troll. You do get to see Elves of Lothlorien smash the chasing Orcs and spirit the Fellowship into the depths of Lothlorien. Wait and see how they have captured Lorien – just wait and see. If there is anywhere that the films tension eases and peace can be felt, it is here.</i> >><br><br><BR><BR>Obviously the reviewer saw a different version of the film to the rest of us.<BR><BR>Can you confirm this Saranthir?
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Postby Ciaran_Gabriel » Wed Jan 30, 2002 8:12 pm

Funny, I have had that paragraph in my mind for a very long time, and I was wondering where I read it.<BR><BR> Actually, now that I go back and read the review, I am skeptical that the reviewer really saw the film.
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Postby hma » Wed Jan 30, 2002 9:05 pm

That is bizarre. It is pretty unambiguous.<BR><BR>Seems unlikely that a different version would have been shown. Maybe the person didn't know what they were talking about, but that also seems unlikely.<BR><BR>Confused.<BR><BR>hma
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Postby Pippin_Took » Thu Jan 31, 2002 11:18 am

This is quite obviously a phony review. "Clash of swords" at the Ford? Nope. Gandalf "crying back up to his comrades to FLY" as he plummets into the abyss? Nope. Chase by orcs after Moria? Nope. Lothlorien Elves killing Orcs? Nope. "The last scene is that of Frodo and Sam slipping across the river, followed by something in the water"? Nope.<BR><BR>As this review was posted on Nov. 28, I'd say it was impossible that this person saw an earlier cut of the film that was later altered before the general release.<BR><BR>Remind me to be more skeptical next year.
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Postby Leonides* » Thu Jan 31, 2002 12:04 pm

Yes... that is a little odd. Saranthir, what do you think? Did your source see a different version?
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Postby Ciaran_Gabriel » Thu Jan 31, 2002 3:10 pm

Well, I guess it's just as well, I won't be reading any reviews of TTT, not that I'll be remaining totally spoiler free, but I'm not going overboard with them like I did for Fellowship.
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Postby LadyEowynKenobi » Thu Jan 31, 2002 4:25 pm

<i>Again things are compressed and the chase by the Orcs is quite intense. Frodo is hampered by his injury at the hands of the troll. You do get to see Elves of Lothlorien smash the chasing Orcs and spirit the Fellowship into the depths of Lothlorien. Wait and see how they have captured Lorien – just wait and see. If there is anywhere that the films tension eases and peace can be felt, it is here.</i><BR><BR>well, if this person saw it and that it was originally for public viewing then definitely its going to be in the DVD. same would go for that "something" in the water following Frodo and Sam. if a similar review would come out for TTT, maybe we should all bear in mind that not everything written there will be seen once it starts its regular run in the theaters.
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