How to avoid the dreaded One Line Post in an RP STORY

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Postby ThreadStalker » Sun Jun 02, 2002 9:04 am

with a little thought any one liner can be transformed into a viable post that will enhance the story and experience for the posters.<BR><BR>As soon as you have two or more people in the RP you should have an OOC. short comments can be posted in the story but this should be kept to a minimum. You would not see such comments in a novel and that is the goal of a Story RP to have a mini(or not so mini in some cases) novel when you are done.<BR><BR>If you have nothing to say, you are not working at it, although that blank time does come to us all. Again here is a use for the OOC if you post that you are blocked then the others might be able to help with ideas for your character that might spark other ideas and therfore break the block. <BR><BR>If that does not work let the others know that you are blocked and will be quiet for a while. Knowing you are dry at the moment some other poster might be able to carry your character along with theirs for a little while, but only for a little while as it is not fair to over burdon another poster with your character. If it is a serious block or you have no time for the Rp, send your character off on a side trip or something to explain the absence. Yourfellow posters again might be able to help.<BR><BR><b>How do you avoid the one line post?</b> First get your one line ready as you are doing now but don't post it just yet.<BR><BR>Be your character. Where are you? What do you see, hear, smell, feel? Are there others around you? Describe them or what they are doing? What time of day is it? What season is it? Is it raining or what?<BR><BR>Weave pieces of those elaborate backgrounds into your one line to enhance the character without those awful "stats"<BR><BR>OK there's your line, use this as practice and enhance it.<BR><BR><i>The elf opened the door to the bar and went inside.</i><BR><BR>Does the door creak? Does it open smooth and soundless? What do you smell when it does open. Perfume, stale beer, what?<BR>What kind of bar? elegant tavern? working man's pub? criminal den?<BR><BR>Instead of all those "flashing azure eyes" maybe the elf sees someone that reminds them of someone else. Why does it remind them and what is the importance of the person you are reminded of? Are they dead? Why are they not with you? Where are they?<BR><BR>A little thought will give you endless things to include in your one line post. Like anything in life you only get out what you put in. <BR>Lifeless posts equal a soon dead thread.
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Postby ThreadStalker » Sun Jun 02, 2002 9:58 am

A few prime offenders are snippily responding that they posted 3 linse or 5 lines and not one line. Semantics people. You know who you are.<BR> the elf opend the door and went inside the tavern.<BR><BR>One line empty post<BR><BR><BR>Mercurial's almond shaped green eyes flashed as she opened the door and went inside. There were many people inside so she went to sit at a table in the corner. She caught the bartender's eye and asked for a glass of wine.<BR><BR>3 lines same empty post.
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Postby Istariquendi » Sun Jun 02, 2002 10:00 am

Good thread, ThreadStalker! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>. I wonder who you were before you bacame a Mod?
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Postby Tempest » Sun Jun 02, 2002 12:09 pm

Good points, Threadstalker. I'm bringing this back up to the top for others to see.
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Postby Khor » Sun Jun 02, 2002 3:47 pm

Here here! Three beers for the Threadstalker!
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Postby Star-of-Hope » Sun Jun 02, 2002 8:39 pm

Good point Threadstalker, just doing a bump up to the top...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby Kaia_Sylvan » Sun Jun 02, 2002 9:01 pm

Excellent. Heed it well 1 liners! For he is the Threadstalker that will forever be walking towards you, but will never quite get there, but looks formiddible and menacing all the same <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> You've got my vote threadstalker.<BR><BR><BR>*BUMP*
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Postby Running-Deer » Sun Jun 02, 2002 9:03 pm

Thank you ThreadStalker for posting what was on my mind yesterday but didn't get time to do it. Here is another example of an unacceptable post . . .<BR><BR><i>"Joe walked into the room and ordered a drink at the bar. He eyed the room and then took a seat at the table. He sat sipping his drink and once it was gone, ordered another from the barmaid. She brought him his 2nd drink and left as he continued to watch the room."</i><BR><BR>This is a 4 line post that is still empty. It does nothing to move the story along. A single line that is a 'spoken line' to another writer does nothing to move the story along or help any of the other writers, no matter how close of friends you all are, to be creative. Role Playing is creative writing. <BR><BR>And what we are looking for is not the technically named 3-5 lines of post but <u>what is contained within the post itself</u>. Feel free to email us.<BR>
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Postby orliesmyhusband » Mon Jun 03, 2002 6:17 am

Very good points ThreadStalker, I hope people take those into context, literally.
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Postby ThreadStalker » Mon Jun 03, 2002 8:39 am

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Postby SilverScribe » Mon Jun 03, 2002 9:26 am

<BR>And I'm happy to note Oricon, that you seem to understand the points as well and are trying to apply them.<BR><BR>Now if more folks will follow the example, we might have a good trend starting . . . <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>
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Postby orliesmyhusband » Mon Jun 03, 2002 9:54 am

Yeah I know, Im like writing paragraphs and they give me four lines....im like Bump it up a bit pls!
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Postby Llinos » Mon Jun 03, 2002 10:04 am

I quite agree Thread Stalker and I treid very hard to keep the Losing Hope RP alive but was offline when you had your disagreement with the others, Is there any chance of you unlocking it? i quiet liked it. It is just a pity i was not online to post on it you see.
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Postby Murannon » Mon Jun 03, 2002 2:36 pm

Obviously you seem to completely forget people who try to help the story along but can't because English isn't their main language.<BR>If I may use your example; <i>Mercurial's almond shaped green eyes flashed as she opened the door and went inside. There were many people inside so she went to sit at a table in the corner. She caught the bartender's eye and asked for a glass of wine.</i><BR>Now, maybe for you that's an easy writable, hollow post but not for me. People like you type 4 minutes and have 3 very nice paragraphs, I write half an hour and I got something like your example.<BR>I pay my $5; a lot of 'better' RPers don't. Kick me and let them stay ?<BR><BR>~~Murannon~~
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Postby erinhue » Mon Jun 03, 2002 3:01 pm

I think you are missing the point, Murannon. I've seen your stuff and you do get it, some don't.<BR><BR>I don't care how bad the english or what awkward style might come across what I mean is the kind of post that is all about "flashing hazel eyes" and "silver bodice buttons", people who admit in the story that their character is just lurking around, hiding in bushes, eavesdropping with no interaction or even insite full observation.<BR><BR>Characters that do nothing, add nothing, but are awfully concerned with their hair and what they are wearing or giveing detailed lists of statistics that mean nothing. No attempt to place the character in the story no setting references or remembered context. I could go on and probably would.<BR><BR>A quality post shows through language barriers. and as for things coming quickly, I speak English and write it pretty well and I generally work up a post on Word before it gets here, so I know what it means to labor over them. <BR><BR>If you do that, they don't mean you then, it is the lazy posters with little imagination or lack of courage to put it on display.<BR>
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Postby SmaugsBane » Mon Jun 03, 2002 3:38 pm

Murannon, <BR><BR>(Long time, no see...)<BR><BR>Anyway, for an example of a non-native English speaker who tries really hard despite having a hard time, read Maldeloth's posts in SB's challenge. (The link is below, in my sig.) No, she doesn't write posts as long as erinhue's or my own. (but I'm a tireless windbag after all) Actual length isn't the problem. I've seen some people arguing how long their posts are. ("I've written 3-7 line pposts the whole time, they aren't 1 liners."<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> That is totally missing the point. The point is that you try, put a little effort into it. and tell us a story. <BR><BR>Just like you do, Murannon, I've RPed with you, and I'd be honored to again, if we get the chance. Heck, the scar you gave me back at the Lucky Fortune months ago is a permanent part of my character.<BR><BR>Keep up the good work.
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Postby Eriu » Mon Jun 03, 2002 10:56 pm

OH Thread Stalker! lol I love ya! Thankyou. I got sick of this myself. Ugh, these guys that posted with one liners, I will not point. Said they had dyslexia, now what if that does cause a problem? Personally I would suggest at least TRYING to read the long posts and understand them. But I have run into those (mostly my age) who read even ONE line and they are lost. Sometimes I do that, depends. I am SOOOOOOOOOOo glad you made this thread. I am one of those that sometimes can write a whole novel before I'm done LOL. And those guys just got so upset. Well I said too bad, its my thread and I'm going to explain whats going on, you keep up with me. Sorry to say, I lost two out of 5 characters in my RP <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0> WEll the story must go on. <BR> Again I hope people, more people see this and realize whats going on lol. I do want to read more, see what these people are thinking. I can't be the only one (along with Deorlaf and Kaia) who not only want to say "I am an Elf, my name is Hinkledorfen and I'm from the North" but "I am Hinkledorfen, I hail from the great mountains of the North. My Eyes are so blue they mock the sky and my hair a shining gold. I love all living things and I fight for the good of all people. My horse is Super Feet and he outruns the wind." Etc...LOL Yeah yeah okay see, I shut up now, since I could go on all night....
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Postby erinhue » Tue Jun 04, 2002 4:42 am

And the good word spread throughout the land. Thank You ThreadStalker<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby SilverScribe » Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:03 am

<BR>LOL, Eriu, you are not alone. While other posters fret about HAVING to come up with more than a few lines, I find myself worrying that my posts are just too freaking long. That the reader will lose interest or begin to snore halfway through. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Long posters of TORC unite!! Let's all give ThreadStalker and the other hard working Mods a little entertainment to go with their duties!! LOL.<BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>**Scribbles<BR><BR><BR><BR>
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Postby orliesmyhusband » Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:10 am

lol sounds good silver scribe! Actually sometimes if a post is too long I do lose intrest, and if I don't then my eyes start to blur and I have to take a break! lol how sad! <BR>
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Postby SmaugsBane » Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:30 am

Why Scribbles, I have no earthly idea what you're talking about. Surely noone we know suffers from writing epically long posts. <BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Of course, I kid. Some of my posts from the "Bane" era had to be broken up into two or three when I transferred them from Word to TORC. So I like to put a few words together, sue me. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby Llinos » Tue Jun 04, 2002 9:06 am

I totally understand Murannon, the fact that i am welsh and speak welsh over english means that i don't always have time to think up great lines but most of the time and try and right long posts takes longer but its nice. In one thread (that shall remain nameless <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>) i managed to go and update despite mine doing GCSE exams and only managed a few lines and i got laughed at and had rather rude and horrible things said to me by a certain person (who shall also remain nameless im not one for pointing the finger) and i thought that was totally unfair seeing as all my other posts had been long enough and made sense! Though this is off the point of one liners....I just felt like moaning cos it still really bugs me that an RPer could be so prejudice...<BR><BR>Uhum excuse spelling please <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby Eriu » Tue Jun 04, 2002 9:07 am

Yeahhhhhh!!! Okay well I looked closer at this, and I do understand if one has trouble with English, but one would think they might learn a little to deal, just as if I wanted to REALLY be part of a German rp site I might learn german? LOL I'm learning Quenya right now. Its kinda easy, kinda not. I have to sit there and keep going "KA-la" And keep sounding out the words which I thought I knew how to say, which I didn't. Did you know, that saying Celeborn like Seleborn is wrong? Its Keleborn, there is now soft C in the writings, odd? <BR> ANYWAY, I'm super glad you made the thread, Mr Stalker. Aye, there are those of us, who write a whole new LOTR series before we are done, heh heh. Well, some days are better than others for me. Sometimes I can't get nothing to come out, but do my best. Other days, man, watch it! I do get bored sometimes, if I feel the storyline isn't going anywhere for me, and I can see where a slow reader would get bored, but I'm a fast reader. I just keep writing like I do, and be as clear I as I can..... Thankyou again Thread Stalker, May Fair Winds Blow you to your Threads (Where you may stalk silently)! Namarie!<BR><BR>~*~Eriu-Wanderer Of Middle Earth~*~
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Postby wisteria » Tue Jun 04, 2002 10:58 am

bump
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Postby ThreadStalker » Tue Jun 04, 2002 12:19 pm

Ba-da bump
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Postby gwenhwyvar_the_ranger » Tue Jun 04, 2002 12:32 pm

Question... I just noticed that ThreadStalker and other of the MOD's have comparatively few actual posts, if I may be so bold... why is this? Maybe you already reached some post limit and had to start over at 0, like an odometer. Perhaps this isn't the right place to ask this, but this thread is where I noticed it so this is where I asked. <BR><BR>p.s. Thank you for the good tips, ThreadStalker!
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Postby Running-Deer » Tue Jun 04, 2002 1:25 pm

gwenhwyvar_the_ranger ... Let me see if I can answer your question from my point of few. Most of us that have unknown user names with low post counts are newer Moderators (not necessarily <b>new to</b>moderating!!!) Some of us have chosen different MOD names when asked to become a MOD for TolkienOnline, some new Moderators use their regular user names. Each of us who use new MOD names have our own reasons for doing so. I for one have been on these boards for more than 2 years now. I have 4 years experience of moderating at other boards, so I chose a new user name because for me it is easier to 'do the job' of moderating. I hope that this helps to answer your question.<BR><BR>On another note ... <b>How to avoid the dreaded One Line Post in an RP STORY</b> that's easy ... follow the Guidelines that have been written by Nilson and approved by Ted and Jon.
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Postby Grehir » Tue Jun 04, 2002 8:59 pm

Bump... need to get this past all the red...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby Snowdog » Tue Jun 04, 2002 10:50 pm

<b>How to avoid the dreaded One Line Post in an RP STORY and getting the Pony shut down.</b><BR><BR><UL><BR><li>Be literate! <BR>That dont mean every word has to be spelled correctly, but it does mean some effort needs to be put into what is being typed.<BR><li>find a thread to join.<BR>Many Inns and tavern threads are already started and can be used to post a characters entrance and work on interaction. This is a great way to get a feel for writing RP. No need to start a thread for every thought.<BR><li>Think about the RP as a whole.<BR>If you are going to start a thread, then put some thought into it. any person starting a thread should set the scene well with some description. Its a tavern... Ok where is it located? what does it look like? Is it in town or a remote roadhouse? Is it a respectable place or a dive? Etc.This is also where you build your characters basic descriptions. You have to go in with a fair idea about your own character.<BR><li>Set the scene.<BR>Your character is arriving at said tavern. Is it raining or sunny? Day or night? Is there birds singing or it hot and flies are biting? Etc. Ok, goes inside the tavern. Is it dark and smokey, or bright and cheery? Is there lots of patrons or a few? Is there entertainment or not, and is the bartender a handsome man or old codger? Describe the room.<BR><li>Character description.<BR>This is where you use the things you compiled on your character. It is not necessary to describe your character all in the first post, but some details are essential. Tall or short, maybe hair length or such, or maybe a defining scar or type of stare... other things like eye color and such can be added after they start to interact with other characters, etc.<BR><li>Character enhancements.<BR>These are the things that define the character's demenaor<BR></UL><BR><BR>There are more, but this is an example. using the above, lets see what we can come up with for a basic tavern's opening post and a subsequent characters post... (the post will be in italics and my comments will not)<BR><BR>First, a lousy first RP post:<BR><BR><i>The woman came to the tavern and walked in. She went to order a drink and sat down at an empty table, looking around at other people.</i><BR><BR>Now, lets make a good first RP post:<BR><BR><i>The rain was cold as it blew hard against the door of the tavern. </i>(Scene) <i>The tall woman wrapped in the dark cloak</i> (character description) <i>dismounted and secured her horse to the railing.</i>(Scene and character enhancement. The character has a horse, and the tavern has a railing outside) <i>She looked around before pushing open the door to enter.</i>(Character enhancement - she is wary) <i>The creaking hinge announced her entry as it does everyone who enters the Dog Bone.</i> (scene enhancement - gives the place character of its own) <i>She looked around at the grim faces that sat about the tables and lined the bar</i> (more scene enhancement - the place is rather crowded) <i>but soon they turned away and carried on with their business.</i> (The NCE's (<u>n</u>on-<u>c</u>ontrolled-<u>e</u>ntities) activities are stated in a general way to allow alttitude for other characters to join by being in the Tavern) <i>Dahrla</i> (character building - her name is given to the readers) <i>walked slowly to an open section of the bar and threw back her hood to let her golden brown long hair cascade about her shoulders,</i> (character description - tells reader of her hair) <i>hoping it would get the attention of the bartender.</i> (Character enhancement - gives the implication she is pretty) <i>She gets a mead with her copper coin she found in her cloak pocket</i> (character enhancement - she is poor) <i>and she looks around for a place to sit.</i> (Character action) <i> An empty table in the middle of the floor is all she sees and prefers to stand and lean on the bar where she is.</i> (scene setting and character enhancement - The place has little room, and the character dont wish to be in the center of things) <i>She sips her mead and her eyes drift about the room, taking note of people that interest her.</i> (character action - character settles in and opens up the RP for interaction).<BR><BR>Ok.. short but it will do. The more you can add to the scene setting like locations and such the better.<BR><BR>Now, poster #2 reads the above and thinks of joining. His lousy interaction post would be something like this:<BR><BR><i>The guy turned to the woman and offered to buy her a drink. He said, 'You are beautiful, can I buy you a drink?</i><BR><BR>Now, lets look at poster #2's good interaction post:<BR><BR><i>The tall man had been drinking most of the night. He was thinking of leaving when the door was heard and he looked over to see a cloaked stranger enter. He could tell by the eyes that shone form under the hood and the size of the person there was a good chance it was a woman, so he slowly moved over closer to the guy next to him to make room at the bar. He knew the place was crowded and hoped she would find the opening. It worked! she came as expected! Her hair brushed agains him as she removed her hood, and he watched as she fumbled for a coin, and only affording a mead. He looked at her as she ignored him and he said, 'I could buy you something better if you wish m'lady'</i><BR><BR>I wont break it all down as I did the other as its late for me, but it has the same things as the opening post, for it is in effect the opening post for poster #2. He uses what poster #1 threadstarter wrote to good advantage, and enhances poster #1's character in ways #1 may not have seen. example, she went to the bar next to a man who was just an NCE to her, and she showed no acnowledgement to him which is fine. One cant acnowledge every NCE... so #2 used that man to introduce his presence in the tavern and show she was used to such places by ignoring most people. Note he did not introduce his character because he is only described as 'a tall man'. This leaves room for future posts. He also picked up on things like the door squeaking and such.<BR><BR>When written this way, each post adds depth and character to the scene, and others who join have ever more material to use as they join.<BR><BR>Hopefully this may help in showing what is expected in RP here in the Prancing Pony vs what has been happening. Give it a read please! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby ThreadStalker » Wed Jun 05, 2002 6:08 am

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