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Postby Decendant » Fri Nov 29, 2002 11:19 am

Manny of those in the RP have insisted on an OOC thred for it, but I have been having some difficulties lately. Now I have what was nearly a demand to make it run smoother.<BR><BR>The whole idea of the RP was to become somthing like "The Never Ending Story" but with Middle Earth. I used to watch that alot, and now I've become a TORC addict. I thought that it would be an interesting thing to do, but, as the others have said, an OOC thred was needed.<BR><BR>This is where we can get things going a bit smoother. From looking at other OOC threds I agree with their origionaters that the IC's need to be placed here.<BR><BR>I'd like it if any more who wish to join come by here and run it by me first.<BR><BR>Ceit is a 14 year old attending Smoky Mountain High in Sylva, North carolina. She was orrigionally from Romulus, Michagain, but when she was 12 her mother and grandmother had taken her to Cullowhee, NC. After turning 13 at the end of the month she began attending Cullowhee Vally School in Cullowhee not far from Western Carolina University where her momm and grandma began working at the Ramsy Center {the Ramsy Center is sort of like Michagainn's Jo Luis Arena}. Now she visits her father in Monrow, MI in the summers and over Cristmass break. She loved High School and fell into a dayly ruteen. Her last class of the day was her favorite. When she was still in the 8th grade she'd wone the Art award, and now she was at it again with her knoledge of history.<BR><BR>In Art 1 the teacher, Mrs. Kimbrell, had started up an "Art History Day" that occured evry friday. With her interests in archeology she began being one of the three or so who were actually making hundreds on their tests.<BR><BR>The only problems that she had in Art 1 were three people who just wouldn't give her a break. One was a girl who just wanted to be on top of evry body. Another was a boy who she'd busted for smoking. The last was her ex boyfriend who wouldn't stop flirting with her even when she made it clear that she was just a friend and not interested any more.<BR><BR>One of the guys that her ex had introduced her to was Nic. He presented an intirely different problem because she was constantly telling him to stop flirting during class, and he also kept thretening to run away because of his ex girlfriend. They soon became good buddies, thoough, and began to become the loudest two in the class while they worked.<BR><BR>Ceit's features-<BR><BR>eyes-blue grey with flecks of green and brown at times.<BR>hair-much like Aragorn's but lighter and she usually pulles back her bangs and sides.<BR>skin-ivory with frecles. manny scars are on her elbows, knees, hands, feet, and face from a rough life in the subburbs of Detroit.<BR>build-about 5ft 3 1/2 in; slinder; lean musscel especially in her thighs; long limbed; her excuse that she used came out of a thought of her ears which were pointed much like an elve's. Befor she'd mooved off Leddbetter onto Wayahutta one of the little girls would call her Mrs. Elf and tell her what she wanted for Cristmass this worked to her advantage in both the elementary/middle school and the high school when spinning misjevious lies to get people off her back<BR>hobbies- soccer, hocky, martial arts, weaponry excluding guns, reading, wrighting, bike riding, rolerblading, walking alone in the woods, singing, playing insterments, doing extenceve bead work, and being on line.<BR>odd ocurences- she learned to make a flame dance however she wanted, and made a paperclip moove without troubble. another time she had a vision and knew better than to eat the potato's in her dinner.<BR><BR>As I said befor we could use our real lives and names or just give them a twist in the beginings like a different name or somthing. I'd like to show you how my life goes along with my RP charicter, Ceit.<BR><BR>Me-<BR><BR>I am a 14 year old courrently attending Smoky Mountain High School in Western North Carolina in a small city called Sylva. I'm origionally from Trention Michagain {it's by Lake Erie} and when I was still a baby my mom and dad mooved with me to Romulus {another suburrb of Detroit}, but we were one of the few "white" families in the subdivision called Welsly Townhouses. This led to few friends and a bit of a rough life for me. With all the rough play, bike wrecks, rolerblading accedents, and running around bare foot I now have severall scars on my feet, hands, knees, elbows, and face. One of my few get way's was in the swampy woods next to my home where I'd go to spen houres just wandering around alone or with one of my 3 friends Dacarel, Stephanie, and Jasmen.<BR><BR>When I turned 8 my mom began taking me to a Tae Kwon Do studio to sit and watch the stuednts and teachers. There is where I recieved my first martial arts training. A month after mom began to see the improovement in my attitued and dicipline she joined. Now I am a Brown belt and she is a confirmed balck belt.<BR><BR>A month befor I turned 13 my mom and grandma and I moved back to their home town called Cullowhee, North Carolina in the Western reagion in the mountains. Now I am visitiong my father in the summer and over Cristmass break in Monroe, Michagain.<BR><BR>eyes- they were orrigionally blue, but they are turning more and more grey like my grandmothers. Some times they have green and brown flecks. Manny other times they resembole the glass eyes of a doll.<BR>hair-it was origionally strawberry blond, but as I grew it became more curly and platnem blond; then it went back red and again a darker blond as well as loosing the curl. Last year I'd choped it off and died it red. Now that it's back to it's natural color and texture it's like Arogorn's but lighter like Boromir's and around the same linght as their's.<BR>skin-ivory with manny frecles and scars. It burns easy and I keep a tan for a year straight after the burn subsides.<BR>build-around 5 feet 3 1/2 inches, long limbed, slinder with lean muccle, my thighs are the strongest part because of the martial arts classes that I attend on Monday's and Wednesday's and bike riding. I have a bit of a problem walking at times...when I was born my feet were turned inward and since I was dead for a few minuts I had a bit more dammage done to them, after a few excercizes they will stay straight when I really want them to, but from the weakness in my joints and a few severe twisted ancles that had resulted in yet more nerve damage they some times refuse to pick up or lead me off to the right untill I hit somthing, but that hardly ever happens any more. When we'd first mooved to Cullowhee one of the girls in a lower grade that rode my buss would allways call me Mrs. Elf because of my pointd ears. Now my friends Nic and Paul believe that I'm a half elf around 14000 years mortal and 1076 immortal, but then again they'll believe alot of stuff.<BR>hobbies- soccer, hocky, arts and crafts, bike riding, rolerblading, taking lingthy walks alone in the woods no matter the danger, martial arts, weaponry excluding guns, reading, wrighting, such and so forth<BR>Odd occurences- I can controle flame, one time I moved a paper clip withought anything like magnets and stuff, and not long ago I was laying on the coutch reading when a rancid smell overpowered the whole house. The way that it's set up the living area looks into the dining and then it's a corner so that you can't see the kittion, but I suddenly stoped reading and I saw my grandma putting somthing white and lumpy into the frying pan. I had no idea what it was when I heard the sizeling. When I heard the sizeling the vision stpoed and I thought that I'd just been dreeming and that she was just cooking some pork chops or somthing and that the cat didn't quite make it to the litter box, but then it came again and the lumps turned into sliced potatos and back again, and then I could see jars of cand potatos. This told me that the things were not what I'd thought and that it was just food, but then I felt as if there was somthing rong about them, and that I souldn't eat them. When I got my food I'd taken some anyway, but after one bite I left them alone. Come to find out Grandma was all redy a bit sick and couldn't taste or smell that well and so she didn't think that there was anything rong, but when mome got back she said that they were bad and that the smell was comming from the potato's that were still in their jars.<BR><BR>I can't wate to hear all about you and your IC's but paleas don't just up and join. those who have all redy gone into the RP are set into it if they wish, but new people must first come by here befor deciding to join.<BR><BR>Thanks Alot.<BR><BR>Adrianne Lea
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Postby narnensul » Fri Nov 29, 2002 9:47 pm

Cool! Hmm, well I just joined. I didn't find an ooc, I hope thats alright. I'm an elf and I'm actually in Rivendell, I hope that makes things run smoother having someone that knows the ropes.<BR>Umm, for the plot, I don't really have any suggestions, I'm not sure what you want to do for it. I remember the neverending story, sort of. With that flying dog and stuff. My character doesn't have to be large unless you want it too, by the way the others are posting I think I'm a minor char.<BR>Maybe you could be descendents of tolkien or something and he actually went there and then chose his future relatives to visit cause he knew something bad was going to happen? Meh, I dunno. I'm hitting my creative lowpoint. Argggggh, I make no sense sometimes sorry.<BR>(hehe, I have slightly pointed ears too! sort of)
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Postby Tobias_Red-tail » Fri Nov 29, 2002 10:45 pm

Yeah...I'm in already...but here's my two-cents worth.<BR><BR>What if all those who have been catapulted into ME all the while did have some ME blood in them? This might explain why only these few are chosen. (Might sound familiar to those who have read Everworld...)<BR>
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Postby Decendant » Sat Nov 30, 2002 10:54 am

That's exactly it, Tobias_Red-tail. You have the idea that they are decended fromthe people of Middle Earth. Yes, I do mean the one with the big, white, flying dog, but not quite like that.<BR><BR>I'd appretieate it if you all would include things about your charicters and yourself in here. thank you for comming in.<BR><BR>chat with you later.<BR><BR>ps.-narensul, you can work it up into a larger charicter if you like, but remember it can't be a story enless you have minor charicters.
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Postby narnensul » Sat Nov 30, 2002 9:53 pm

Brilliant idea Tobias, much better than mine.<BR>Well I'm gonna do the very very minor role. I'm afriad I wont have any time to post in this thread, homework and sports is getting in the way. So I think I'll withdraw from the thread. Terribly sorry. But good luck to everyone, its a wonderful idea and I hope you all have fun!
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Postby Tobias_Red-tail » Sat Nov 30, 2002 9:55 pm

So give me some time, I'll give you more about my character. Oh, and Tobias will do nicely. In this case, that would mean that my character would have to have some links with ME folks.
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Postby KBrandybuck » Sat Nov 30, 2002 11:29 pm

Decendent, you could ask the mods to move this into the Prancing Pony forum. I'm sure they would do that.<BR><BR>Ok, who am I really. In my life I have really trained horses for a local police dept., really shown dressage horses, really rock climbed, mountain biked, kayaked, fenced, done archery and I really do play the harp. And I really am a vp in a bank. And yes, I get migraines. I have been reading Tolkien for donkey's years. I also study anthropology and Irish literature and languge, folklore and just 10 weeks ago took my first art class since junior high (so I could do my own Tolkien fan art - no kidding!) I'm thinking of taking up fencing and archery again and, I dunno, whatever floats my boat. These days mostly I walk with the dog because practicing with my band takes up a lot of time. I studied Russian in college, and have a degree in Russian (forgot every word) - and also took some junior college courses in the last ten or so years in geology and botany and natural history because I'm fascinated by enthnobotany and all that stuff. I guess you could call me kind of an amature cultural anthropologist/forensics geek. <BR><BR>Anyhow, Caitlin is a vp in a local bank in a little beach town south of Cambria, California, plays and teaches the harp (Irish music), trains three day horses for a local Pony club on the weekends but doesn't keep a horse anymore (he died), and writes the occasional children's story. She's done a little of everything, but mostly horses. She used to work at a big huge bank in a big huge city but found that after 10 years of that it was sucking the life out of her, so that's why she moved to San Vicente. She is divorced, no kids. Her grandmother has alzheimers and Caitlin manages her finances - Caitlin's parents are dead. She has a brother, very ordinary guy who lives on the East Coast with his family. She's very good with languages, has studied folklore and mythology and is apt to fall on her knees in front of a boulder and tell you if it's metamorphic or igneus or else pick plants and start telling you if you can eat them or use them in a cold cure. She just started studying art so she could do her own field sketches and maybe illustrate her own stories, if she gets good enough. <BR><BR>Caitlin is 5'6, green eyes, looks younger than she is, has light brown hair, short, bangs curly. She looks very Irish. She bites her nails, and because her job involves talking to people, she is apt to talk to anyone. Her only regret with living where she does is the lack of a good opera company (she's mad for opera). She can be annoyingly realistic (like me). <BR><BR>Neither Caitlin nor I have ever been elves, so to speak. I am a hobbit - she is a hobbit. Or of hobbit extraction.<BR><BR>----<BR><BR>Now to business: I like Luinel mentioning "prophecies" That gives us a reason to be there. The four ladies should realize early on they've all read Tolkien.<BR><BR>If the four ladies and whoever else shows up, are supposed to NOT be on the quest but come to the realization they MUST go or all is lost, they will have two months to train (the Fellowship was two months in Rivendell). Certainly Elrond would NOT sanction their going, but we could form our own conspiracy and fellowship that say, draws fire from the 9 walkers (kind of like decoys). Just a thought - it will depend on what Luinel's prophecies say. Besides we have to hook up with Bryce somehow and she is in Lorien.<BR><BR>This would give characters like Ceit, who are young, but very skilled, an opportunity to train their fellows in self defense, Caitlin can teach them to ride and jump and handle horses, etc. etc. <BR><BR>What do you think? Elrond would never allow four (or however many we have) totally unprepared women out of his sight, so we'll have to sneak out.<BR><BR>Ok. someone's gotta do Elrond. If we divide up Tolkien characters, we should treat them the same as our own original characters, ie, they become the "property" of the writer who "owns them" so that we aren't moving characters around who are not "ours". Except for public domain characters like orcs, ringwraiths, Dunlanders, unnamed Rohirrim and the like. <BR><BR>
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Postby Tobias_Red-tail » Sun Dec 01, 2002 1:16 am

About the differences between the real me and the character.<BR><BR>I love Wrigley's chewing gum, and am going to take Chemistry next year, hence the mention of the Chemistry book. But I am, of course, going to have other uses for it. I don't live in Chicago, USA, but rather, I live in Singapore. I have never fired a bow before, nor climbed a tree, hence my character's problems with such topics. I do dress like my character does, save the jacket. And it is true about my fear of heights. I did start reading Tolkien only a while back, and my mom does yell at me about my reading habits, what with she discovering my whole allowance was blown on books. But she has yet to rip them apart, apprently preferring to threaten me.<BR><BR>So that's me. Now for Bryce...<BR>Her mother's an Elf, as I have mentioned in my latest post, but she has yet to know it. An Elf of Lorien, to be precise. Her mother returned to ME when she was seven, and since then, she was raised by her father. She looks asian, as her father's kin, but there is a little of the Elvish grace in her steps. She is gifted in archery, as are many other elves, and too is good in swordplay, though she doesn't know that either. She is about fourteen going on fifteen, like I am, and her father passed on about five years back. As her aunt was her only living relative, she was dumped there. The pieces are only beginning to fall into place now, for her, and she will end up in Rivendell sooner or later, especially since all the Ringbearers spend plenty of time communicating. <BR><BR>Galadriel has already sent a message to Elrond about her unexpected visitor. and so I'll leave it to the rest of you. There is no doubt that Bryce will prefer to stay in Lorien, but she will end up in Rivendell before the rest leaves
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Postby KBrandybuck » Sun Dec 01, 2002 11:19 am

Here's another few thoughts to consider:<BR><BR>The purpose of any story is the hero's (or heroine's) journey and spiritual growth, even on a little scale. The folks who are zapped into middle earth should probably as we progress, reveal their strengths and weaknesses, behave as true as possible as normal 20th-21st c. humans in this environment. The "secret identity" thing is common in myth, so we can have hidden "Gee, I didn't know that's who I was" stuff going on. As far as possible our backgrounds and the plot should move along as Tokienian as possible. It is entirely likely that Bryces' mother would abandon her. After all, Elwing "abandoned" her sons, Elros and Elrond, by flinging herself into the sea!<BR><BR>What will make this interesting is that the characters (the Tolkien characters) should react to us as they really would react, not as we would like them to. This will create frustation, conflict, etc.<BR><BR>For the ladies in Rivendell: the likelihood that the elves would give any credence to anything a 15 year said is nil at least until they get to the bottom of the "prophecy" thing. The hobbits would probably respond positively to them because they're short, full of energy and life. Caitlin would probably make friends with them easily because she has learned in all her hobbies that adults dont' always have the answers. She's learned tunes from teenagers (this is true - I have had 15 year old harp insructors in Ireland who are dynamite) and being around them all the time in the Pony Club (also true), has a different view and tends to treat teenagers like adults (often forgetting that they are not). That can be a source of frustration to the girls, who are treated kinda of like children by persons of consequence, like the elves and Aragorn, even though their life experiences are really far beyond what most 15 year old elves/humans/hobbits would have experienced even in Middle Earth(death, divorce, bullying, drugs,peer pressure, single family homes, the violence we read about in the newspaper, school schootings). These are the little miseries that make up our lives which constantly barrage us, rather than the 1 big bad guy (Sauron) that the ME folks deal with. No one they will meet in Rivendell can make that same claim. "My father abandoned us. My mother is abusive. I'm divorced." We learn in our modern lives that people are replaceable and expendable and our lesson in ME will be that they are not.<BR><BR>This can play to the girls' advantage, in that they might be lagely overlooked at first. No one takes them seriously (at first til we get this prophecy thing worked out) so they can gather information. Also when their True Past is revealed, they might have to do battle (emotionally) against their ME relations who wnt to protectt hem.. It probably won't have that much to do with their sex, since we know elf women fight,but we must remember that a warrior woman was not the norm -- even Aragorn didn't "get Eowyn" (although Gandalf did). Galadriel can play a hand in this when she sends word to Rivendel what the deal is.<BR><BR>That makes me think that Gandalf might be the key to allowing the girls some autonomy because he sees something even Elrond doesn't see.<BR><BR>Bryce's ability as an archer. Why not say that she's training for the Olympics? That's totally believable. Caitlin is an excellent horsewoman - but she's never fought on horseback and no she only competed in state championships, she never had the time, money or horses to go further. Ceit will never have actually had to defend herself in life/death combat, which will certainly be an interesting experience for her when she has to. Will she be able to keep her wits about her? At first maybe not, then she gets the hang of things. Plus she can have some moves that really impress "the boys". <BR><BR>The real pull for this RP will be how REAL we make the characters without making them too incredible, and also what growth as people they will experience as they go through this adventure. Personalities, beliefs will be tested, some will fail (slightly) - some may die!! Reality will have to hit home pretty quickly (first sight of an orc, a dismembered elf, etc.)<BR><BR>If we approach this right, this could be loads and loads of fun and different from your usual "Mary Sue" role playing game.<BR><BR>As far as how we are related to folks in middle earth, we should try to keep it somewhat "real". If related to any of the Fellowship, I think sisters or cousins are allowed, but you'd have to explain their "disappearence". Frodo and Aragorn are off limits, except for cousins. Daughters are probably out of the question. This will also imply that there is a "gate" between ME and us which is either controllable or even uncontrollable. Also we'd need to explain things like why Bryce's mother came here, only to return to Lorien.<BR><BR>I expect Caitlin is a hobbit of some sort. I haven't quite worked out who/how. She may or may not do one really wierd thing, depending on how you all feel: not all the bodies of the Ringwraith's horses were found. So not all are dead. she might retrieve one and argue vehmently that it's only a horse, basicaly a benign creature and all Sauron could do is terrorize them, not change their fundamental nature. The elves will be horrified because as far as they are concerned, animals can be corrupted too. If she does find and retrain this thing, it can be a source of contention between US and Them and also the doubt that the horse was corrupted and can betray them somehow. I dunno. Let me know what you think of that. <BR><BR>This should be a team effort and if someone goes way off base in their character development we should probably gently nudge them back into line.....<BR><BR>Conflict in the story will make this interesting!!! <BR><BR>
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Postby Tobias_Red-tail » Sun Dec 01, 2002 11:52 pm

I can justify all of that, especially since I did happen to read Everworld. It's not a bad series, and shows how four kids who were shot into some other world accidentally survives.<BR><BR>Have you not thought that there could be a gate somewhere, which does become active once in a while, or that one of us might actually be an unintentional gateway. As for Bryce's mom return to Lorien, she might not have been able to survive had she continued to live in our world, or it could be that her love for her home was so strong that she could not help but return back to the world which she loved. And in addition to that, she probably did think that her father was more than capable to deal with the bringing up of their little girl. Morever, as for her mother's appearance in our world, using the old gateway idea, one could say that she was accidentally picked up through that gateway.<BR><BR>As for the prophecy, why not say that the prophet was a sort of Cassandra, you know, the one that foretells the truth but nobody ever takes her seriously. I also would like to request that a few mild expletives be allowed, for most people would react to something this big by cursing a little.<BR><BR>We could also try to explain our absence in the known world by perhaps existing in both simultaneously, which would allow us some space from continually doing ME stuff, and that would take place everytime our ME personalities fall asleep, our 'RL' personas remain around in our current life, by still attending school, going to work, doing what we would do everyday. After we have let the story develope enough, we could begin disappearing from our 'RLs' one by one, starting with the one who has fully adapted to the ME lifestyle first, with the one who still thinks this is all a dream and that she still likes her normal life more last.<BR><BR>As for what we managed to get with us into ME.<BR>My character's Chemistry book could come into use later, for the mere purpose of using its information to cause a future divertion. As for Melissa's, mine, and Caitlin's audio equipment, why not use the stuff we have got to fully convince the ME folks that we are not from this world at all? I am very sure that none of them have heard our music before. Use the Algebra book to convince them that you all are from another world, and are not a bunch of 'crazies'.
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Postby Morphobia » Mon Dec 02, 2002 5:45 am

Hi guys! I've kinda read thru the IC thread, and I have this nagging feeling that I should join. Is it alright? Here's a profile:<BR><BR>Name: Janicia<BR>Age: 16<BR>Race: Chinese<BR>From: Asia<BR>Bio: Normal young gal who loves the LOTR series. Read all the books, Watched the movies as they come.<BR><BR>That's all I can think of for now. Will add on later, so check back. Meanwhile I think I'll be joining Tobias and company, if you don't mind. We seem a little short on guys, though......... <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby KBrandybuck » Mon Dec 02, 2002 12:09 pm

Tobias: I like the Cassandra idea. Of course we're dealing with a pretty magical world so anyone who wouldn't be believe would have to be almost considered a lunatic, but we can make that work and it will draw things out longer in Rivendell (explaining who we are, trying to figure out how we fit in). Prophecies usually revolve around big nasty heroes, not some teeangers and harpists. And they are usually vague, like Nostradamus.<BR><BR>Here's an attempt at a prophecy:<BR><BR><BR>They are lost and will be found.<BR>Some are wiser than they know.<BR>They know and do not know the answers.<BR>Neither Eldar nor Halfling nor High Born King,<BR>neither Valar or Maiar.<BR>They will come from a distance greater than time,<BR>They are your salvation and they are your doom.<BR>They are your sisters and your daughters.<BR><BR>Ok, it's corny. Best I could do in five minutes. Feel free to edit/rewrite, whatever.<BR><BR>I concur that a parallel, alternate universe or a parallel future would be hard for even GAndalf to swallow. Besides, once we describe where we're from, the ME folks will realize that this horror is what they are fighting for - this is what the Age of Men will lead to. So this will create more conflict for THEM. They have to destroy the ring, but thousands of years from now things won't have actually changed all that much....<BR><BR>If the ladies belong in Middle Earth because a relation was an elf, or hobbit or Dunedan, then the "gate" would find them and bring them back. The "gate" could also be a BAD THING, like Saruman's attempts to steal technology from our world, only the Valar interfere and instead of B52 bombers he winds up with teenagers (and bank vice presidents). That would really chap his hide!!! Every time he tries to go snatch some hollow point bullets, he gets a sophomore. This can also put us in peril because when he realizes his error, he wants us because we can reveal how things work (heck, even I can tell you how an internal combustion engine works and how a gun works, even though I've never fired one)so he would want to kidnap us to pry information out of us. If no one knows who opened the gates, then when we are out wandering around ME and someone finally figures it out, that means we gotta be rescued before Saruman gets us (Find the halflings. Find the banker, find that kid from NOrth Carolina....)<BR><BR>Bryce's mother's absence is totally explanable from a ME standpoint. <BR><BR>I was thinking that Caitlin would be a Took - there was an Isengar Took who went to sea in his youth and would have been Bilbo's uncle. He could have married a human and their daughter is Caitlin's grandmother (with Alzheimer's in the home).<BR><BR>I was going to use the sound equipment to record music til the batteries ran out <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Everything we have with us should be like "Chekov's gun" - a plot device that comes in later. We can use them as weapons, or pretend we're sorceresses to get out of trouble with bad guys, that kid of thing.<BR><BR>As far as existing simultaneously, it creates more inner turmoil for The Girl Group if we have actually disappeared. Perhaps they are never returned to their own world, perhaps some are and have to face the clean up, the way the hobbits did when they returned to the Shire - nothing stays the same, the world moves on. Tolkien's world is not always a beautiful place, dreadful things happen and good is not necessarily rewarded (as witness the destruction of Frodo's spirit).
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Postby KBrandybuck » Mon Dec 02, 2002 4:45 pm

Decendent: Hey, I like that!! Music was always a big deal in Tolkien's world. The idea that Ceit and Caitlin would know the same piece of music would link them, in that it would have been a "message" to them (and to the elves as well), which no one will "get" for a while. In fact, on another RP, my character plays the flute, only because I wanted to give her something portable to carry and harps aren't that portable. No, I don't play the flute, just a little tin whistle.<BR><BR>The harp actually exists. I actually own it. Its twin lives in New Hampshire (made out of the same tree) and belongs to a friend of mine. We went over this year together to Cork City to get them. If if you go to www.grainne.net, you can hear my harp teacher, Grainne Hambly, playing one just like it. <BR><BR>I'm betting some elf will hear them sing and come in to say, "Hey, where'd you guys learn that?" Only in Sindarin....
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Postby Decendant » Wed Dec 04, 2002 5:34 am

welcome, <u>Morphobia</u>. It may turn out great, but I'd need to see somthing for a beginning for your IC befor agreeing to allow you to join. I look forward to having you as part of the RP.<BR><BR>That's interesting,<u>KBrandybuck</u>. When I was still living in Romulus, I'd went to a Reniconce festival somewhere a ways away, but when I went into a music shop, the harps cought my eye. The only experence with any stringed insturments similer to that befor then was a getaur, but in only a coupple of minutes finding the notes, I was able to play a full song on one of the harps there. I haven't touched one since, but, hey!, maby I might. I think that I'll go listen to your teacher once grandma's awake. {Shcool was canceled from an ice storm today, so that's why I'm at home and not on the buss.} Also, If you'd like to have that bit of poetry that you wrote earlyer, feal free to include it in the RP as part of what I'd written, because that could establish somthing between our charicters as a bit of understanding of the events.<BR><BR>No. No, <u>Tobias_Red-Tail</u>. I don't think that a simultainious thing would work too well. you forget that I allredy have Nic looking for Ceit.
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Postby KBrandybuck » Wed Dec 04, 2002 9:17 pm

I am going to edit my post about Caitlin telling Elrond - I think she'd be more cautious. This may require others to edit as well.<BR><BR>Actually, we ought to discuss something here. Did Tolkien write what really happened or only what he wished had happened? Did he just have fragements or the whole thing? I vote for he made some of this up. This can leave us open for plot changes etc. If the four women are more circumspect (not sure if they trust Elrond, etc) see that things are not quite going according to Hoyle, perhaps their job is to set things right. <BR><BR>Anyhow, what do you all think?
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Postby Decendant » Thu Dec 05, 2002 11:12 am

I'm not shure that I understand your question, <u>KBrandybuck</u>. I can see how he might only have had fragments, but what do you mean not shure weather they can trust Elrond yet? Do you mean that he may be thinking of punishing them as criminals or somthing?<BR><BR>
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Postby KBrandybuck » Thu Dec 05, 2002 12:07 pm

Decendent: I dont' mean that Elrond is a bad guy, only that the ladies don't really know who he is, except a figure in a story. Of course he turns out to be a nice guy, but would they really know that at the beginning? As they go along they'll see that that Tolkien will have gotten the essential characters right.<BR><BR>But what we can debate here is what characters those are, the general plot, did Tolkien miss the boat on the minor characters, that kind of thing. Remember what the ulimate goal is - destroy the ring.<BR><BR>For instance. Maybe Boromir is a complete jerk. Maybe he's a nice guy. Maybe not all the elves are all that nice. Maybe not all the orcs are all that nasty (a repentent orc but the elves are so deeply prejudiced they don't believe this creature is actually good. Just a thought...). Tolkiens' books were black and white, but the real world and real people are very grey.<BR><BR>See what I mean? But at first, the ladies are feeling their way along to see how much of what is going on conforms with what they think they know.
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Postby Morphobia » Thu Dec 05, 2002 8:14 pm

So this is before the ring is destroyed?<BR><BR>Just a thought, but do you think the elves know how to read?
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Postby Tobias_Red-tail » Fri Dec 06, 2002 2:12 am

Ok...but I still think we should roughly follow the character traits mentioned in LOTR, unless the character's traits are not exactly featured on enough.
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Postby KBrandybuck » Fri Dec 06, 2002 10:42 am

Tobias, I don't mean change the thing, I just mean that there has to be some surprises, otherwise you are basically living your life over again and there's no thrill. <BR><BR>For argument's sake, let's say, for example, that Tokien was "inspired by the Valar" the way they came to Turgon and Tuor in dreams. He never knew where the story came from and just thought he was making it up. This is what the Valar WANT to have happen, but it hasn't happened yet. Our ladies are dumped into middle earth (and any lads who wind up joining) because they were connected somehow, and not just because they read the books. Their job is to see that these things happen. It could be come apparant that some of this stuff ISN"T going to happen. <BR><BR>say for instance both Gandalf and Elrond decide to send Merry and Pippin home. If that happens, the Ents are never roused, Isengard is never destroyed, the army of 10,000 is never defeated, Pippin never looks into the Palantir and gets taken to Denethor, Denethor will wind up comitting suicide and killing Faramir because there will be no one to raise the warning. there will be no Merry to kill the Witchking and Eowyn will die also. See? Or say they decide to take the Gap of Rohan rather than the mines of Moria. First off, they'd be caught and killed. Secondly, Gandalf wouldn't "fall" and come back stronger than ever. There are loads of little events that if they don't happen, totally change the outcome. <BR><BR>There are loads of ways the girls can redirect and also divert attention away from the FEllowship and have their own adventures.<BR><BR>As the girls go along it might become apparant to them what the deal is (that they are there kinds of as a "Greek chorus" to remind the principals what the goal is). Also Luinel and Galadrial could be VERY instrumental in all of this since they may be the "Cassandras" who understand the prophecies. <BR><BR>These are just some thoughts for our mutual consideration. It was inspired by Melissa's taking Caitlin aside to keep her from revealing the plot.<BR><BR>Now, I won't post this til I get the go ahead, but I was thinking of raising the bar a little by having either Saruman or Sauron realize a gate has opened and potentially useful tools have been deposited in Middle Earth. The reason for this would be to put the girls in danger,although they have no idea that someone is hunting them - and neither do Gandalf or Elrond.<BR><BR>I recommend Saruman as "the hunter" for the following reasons: <BR><BR>My thoughts on Sauron is that he is basically an idiot. He is totally focussed on obtaining the Ring and the rest of it is just gravy. He's so dim, he can't even believe people want to destroy the ring, he thinks they want to use it. Saruman is the real danger because he is the power hungry economist. Sauron does not understand that if you KILL everyone, there will be no one to raise food and support your armies. Saruman understands the need for infrastructure to support an absolute dictatorship. Saruman wants a stock portfolio, agribusinesses, that kind of thing. We see this on a small scale in the Shire when he sets up shop, after being run out of Isengard. Saruman also spends more time looking around all of Middle Earth with his spies, while Sauron just squats on top of that tower muttering to himself. Without his minions, Sauron is nothing (mortals he has lied to and subborned). Saruman is inherently dangerous. So we could have Saruman realize this gate is opened and whoops, maybe I need to grab these strangers and have a chit chat with them.<BR><BR>I won't post anything unless we all agree this is something we think would enhance our story.<BR><BR>
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Postby Tobias_Red-tail » Sat Dec 07, 2002 9:49 am

Not a bad idea, so you're saying that while the Fellowship have their fun, our girls are diverting the odd attention away from them, and getting chased by Saruman as a bonus. He would probably want the more deadly information from them, like guns, bombs and such. I knew the chemistry book would come in handy.<BR><BR>Picture us trying to explain to Saruman how a bullet tears through flesh, bone and muscle, and finding itself a nice niche in your body. Yikes. And try telling him that the metal ball moves so fast, even faster than his magic, and it's more deadly than his magic will ever be. Not to forget telling him what kind of complete annihilation a bomb can cause, being able to wipe out an entire town in seconds. He'll probably be like, Oh cool, when can I start to use it? And then we tell him, Oh, you need about plenty of equipment, like radioactive stuff and the like. Frankly speaking, where's he gonna find that? <BR><BR>And if I get your drift, you mean that we'll be setting forth with the Fellowship, but will go separate ways from them, playing bait, and also getting shot at, chopped at, and not to forget being shot with magic at. That's scary, you know...I always wanted to go to ME, but you've just changed my mind. And I'm not being sarcastic or anything like that. Truely.<BR><BR>Who's writing Elrond anyway? I think I just sent him a message.
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Postby Decendant » Sat Dec 07, 2002 11:23 am

Well now, it seems like you two have verry good ideas to go with here...<BR><BR><u>KBrandybuck</u>- One small thing is keeping me from agreeing to the Sauron thing. I don't know about the others, but would you also be taking on his role?<BR><BR><u>Tobias_Red-tail</u>- Yes, prehaps that chemistry book would come in handy for him, but why give it up like that? Even if he did understand things like "radioactive matereal" and gunpowder instead of calling it powder for fireworks, I see the fact that he most likely wouldn't know how to get it or make it enless he had a friendly chat with Gandalf.<BR><BR>As things are going with Elrond, we're just sort of juggleing him around, but I have a few ideas for him of my own. Perhaps, if none of you will take him, I could take him.
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Postby KBrandybuck » Sat Dec 07, 2002 11:46 am

Decendent: We can make some of these folks public domain. Please take Elrond. He shall be yours. - and it would be nice if someone would join poor Bryce all by herself out there in Lorien!!!<BR><BR>My general idea, if we all agree, is that at this our main nemesis (the ladies) is Saruman. He's the technogeek. Sauron is just a cosmic sourpuss and doesn't think past the ring. At this point, Elrond and Gandalf (whom we haven't met yet) haven't figured out what the deal is the the ladies and therefore would have no way of knowing that Saruman has somehow gotten wind of this. Whether any of us actually get taken by Saruman remains in the future. And how we realize he is after us is also hidden from me at this point.<BR><BR>And at some point we realize that we are a scalpel in a monkey's paw - that we have this potentially dangerous knowledge that we absolutely cannot share with a pre technological society. Bryce has already let the cat out of the bag letting Haldir listen to KISS (or whoever he was listening to...)<BR><BR>Boromir might prove a factor as well. If he can't have the ring, maybe he could just get a "technical advisor" to Gondor..... <BR><BR>I don't mind doing Saruman unless there are some major objections.<BR><BR>It would be nice if someone would come along and be Gandalf.<BR><BR>As far as us following/accompanying/diverting attention away from the Fellowship, we can discuss that as we go along. Despite the fact that we have actual skills, these are not "real world" skills (having to really fight, etc). so our decision to leave Rivendell and go out there alone, without a guide, living off the land, would be a really difficult one. Maybe Luinel goes with us - or some other female who has a reason to lend her aid. It would be nice if someone turns out to be an Eagle Scout, or an outward bound leader (like Melissa maybe....) Because we'd have to be able to make a fire, hunt, defend ourselves, avoid being scene, etc. etc. Also we'd have to decide what our objective was. (diverting attention, or that we know something the Fellowship doesn't and we have to find them and tell them, or else we have to leave because we realize we are being hunted our our presence at Rivendell puts it in peril. I don't know...)<BR><BR>So far the four women haven't had any time to talk to each other to find out anything more about each other than their names and where they're from. That's kinda cool because they are being forced to turn to each other while surrounded by these curious strangers, without really knowing anything about each other!!
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Postby Decendant » Sat Dec 07, 2002 1:12 pm

Actually, <u>KBrandybuck</u>, Ceit {like me} has had martial arts training that includes weapons. The only common weapon not included in the training was guns, but her mother {also like mine} has taught her to some degree, not to mention her one time handeling a handgun with a friend after getting permittion from both her mom's and his mom's to shoot it at the target. I have kept my sword by my bed evry night since I heard of how manny things were actually happening around us crime wise. Mom also dose it. if need be, my grandma has easy access to a rifel and we all have access to things that can be used as staffs, not to mention all the knives, curtain rods, tools, bathroom supplies that are dangerous if consumed or put into one's eyes, so on and so forth. {oh God a fire truck just passed us. I hope no one's gotten hurt} As for geting around ME, Ceit was such a TLOTR geek that she's got a mental map of it. Usually Ceit {there's another one} can track things pretty well and can tell what it was, but she'd gotten a bit rusty in the past year since she moved to where she had a hard time getting around the poision ivy. Ceit [should I just start saying we on the similarities between my IC and me?] isn't the one that's alergict {oh God there's an ambulence!}, but her mother and grandmother are. If they were to get into contact with her things after she'd been in natural poisionus substances in the woods they'd get sick. {Another fire truck!}<BR>It is pretty interesting that they are turning to oneanother and getting at one another when they begin to slip. Maby they can just feal like they can trust themselfes and the others to catch them beond the fact that they are all that they have when it comes to understanding how they'd gotten there and what it was that {two more yellow ones} they were to do.<BR><BR>EDIT- yes, it's a good idea to have Luinel come along. My Mom and Grandma are courently reading a series that is a bit similer. Perhaps we may come to find that she is like us the way that the main charicter in that serese finds that one of the other Scottish people there is actually from her time by a small pox vaxination scar on her left upper arm when she'd created a diversion to keep her for being exicuted.
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Postby Decendant » Sat Dec 07, 2002 1:21 pm

Off the subject a bit... I just tried eggnog and i'm hooked. Any way that you all know of to get off it?
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Postby KBrandybuck » Sat Dec 07, 2002 3:06 pm

Decendent, what I meant was that whereas one can have an intimate knowledge of weapons, it's one thing to spar and another to confront something violently ugly with no fear of death and pain - in other words, put these skills to the test in a real battle to the death. A character is interesting because of his or her flaws, not because of their perfections. So let's say Ceit shows the other three (in secret) how to defend themselve and handled swords and staffs. Then they actually see orcs. Yikes! This is now no longer a contest, but reality. The orcs want to kill us - or worse, as the saying goes. That's where you confront your real fears and dig down deep. If we had more characters and more time, we might have someone with exceptiontal training who just withers the first time she actually has to defend herself. See what I mean? Anyhow Caitlin is really looking forward to finding out what Ceit's skill set is because she'd really like to take martial arts. <BR><BR> What am I like? I used to have a violent temper. It's one reason I never kept a gun, although I have always wanted to learn to shoot. I have mellowed with age. I dislike intensely watching weak things be injured, be they people, or animals and am more likely than not to challenge a bully. Of course most bullies will back down if challenged. Uruk Hai probably don't <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Yes, I'd really like to do martial arts if I had any more time!<BR><BR>The character test for our four ladies will be that while they have loads of inner strength and skills, they will be tested. Some may fail at first (Merry and Pippin fainted at Weathertop and Sam cowered behind Frodo), til they get used to this idea.<BR><BR>"OH, like you totally killed that goblin."<BR><BR>"I think I'm gonna throw up. My hands are shaking. We gotta get outa here." Muscles shocked from slamming a weapon against something 7 feet tall and 350 pounds. Broken ribs. An oozing wound.<BR><BR>That kinda thing. Makes it interesting.....<BR><BR>Take Caitlin. Who like me does not believe aniamls should be recruited to do humanity's dirty work. She'll be the horse trainer, but the first time she has to see an animal sliced to ribbons in battle, or actually have to put one down herself because it has been mortally wounded - that's gonna be a tough one. (I have seen horses put down but it usually involves drugs, not swords). It's one thing to ride three day events and jump big timber, it's another thing to spur the same horse towards a gaggle of lockstepping javelin carrying orcs. Of course we're dealing with Middle Earth horses which have almost human intelligence. And if she reclaims the Nazgul's horse, Mr. Horse will be only too happy to get revenge on those that tormented him (the bad guy). <BR><BR>Anyhow, that's why these girls are here in ME - because the Powers that Be understood that they wouldn't have a rose colored glasses view of the place and they have the potential to swallow their fear and just get on with the job.<BR> <BR>So I heard on the news that the Carolinas were socked in with an ice storm. How did it go for you?<BR><BR>I too have the mental map of Middle Earth with distances etc, etched permanently in my mind. We can consult the Library at Rivendell (Merry did that while they stayed there) and see that Tolkien's maps were correct.<BR><BR>Caitlin might not be in their sleeping chambers. She might be off with Merry and Pippin somewhere. I<BR><BR><BR><BR>
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Postby Tobias_Red-tail » Sun Dec 08, 2002 6:02 am

I have never handled a weapon in my life, save a bamboo stick. Hardly deadly, if you catch my drift. I'm a lousy shot with anything, including a ball, and gets very irritated whenever I lose a game. I did shoot pellet guns once, but the jerk-back scared me for a while. Then it was the gunpowder kind, not real of course, and illegal where I come from. But I got my hands on one, and never handled it again after a few tries. I'll write like myself, completely freaking after my first kill, then breaking into sobs, followed by fainting.<BR><BR>So it'll be like: I killed him. Yeah. I did. Am I gonna get arrested? <BR><BR>Have Elrond recieved the message yet?
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Postby Decendant » Sun Dec 08, 2002 12:00 pm

<u>KBrandybuck</u>- I see your point. Yes, she's never killed or shed any one's blood except her own by accident. As far as the weather and all goes for here...I only had to miss school for a coupple of days. First it rained and froze, then snowed, then rained and froze again. I'v been waking up in the morining seeing by breth. It seems that no matter where we move, I get stuck with the coldest room no matter what. I think that it's a subconchious thing with Mom and Nina because one's all the time with a bit of a medical problem and the other looks as if she's anerexic or something. She never gets out of the house and so she's immaceated as well. She hase to have the warmest room, or she'll risk deth from the cold because she dosen't have much body mass to compensate for the weather. I think that's why we'd origionally thought about moving out West instead.<BR><BR><u>Tobias_Red-tail</u>-he has recieved it, but hasn't said anything yet. he dosen't quite know what all is going on with the way the people have just poped up like that.
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Postby KBrandybuck » Mon Dec 09, 2002 11:59 pm

I routinely check the OOC thread before posting to the actual thread. That's just an FYI incase someone has posted something noteworthy.<BR><BR>When Elrond hears about Bryce, this may settle his nerves a little.<BR><BR>The Council of Elrond was the 25th of October. The Fellowship leaves on the 25 of December. I am guessing that the ladies arrived on Oct. 25. That gives us two months to train, etc. We'll have to get the full lay of the land here before deciding how we affect events.<BR><BR>Still working on how Caitlin is a Took and I have it mostly figured out....<BR>
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Postby Tobias_Red-tail » Tue Dec 10, 2002 5:48 am

That's very nice, now I'll wait for him to reach Galadriel before I continue to post. If I keep talking to myself, I'm gonna go crazy.
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