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Postby scirocco » Sun Apr 06, 2003 5:50 am

This is the Suggestions thread for "The Big List of the Best Books Threads". The List itself can be found by clicking on the link below, or by looking at the Announcements at the top of the Books forum.

The Big List of the best "Books" threads - the List

The List is an attempt to gather and preserve the most significant posts in the Books forum over the last few years.Those threads which have been included in the List are my own personal choice, although many have been suggested to me and I welcome new suggestions.

To be considered, threads should contain interesting, insightful and knowledgeable posts. Simply reply to this thread, preferably with the thread name and ID (that's the last five digits in the Address field in your browser), and I'll very likely add it to the List.
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Postby kkokon » Sun Apr 06, 2003 6:19 am

This is completely exeptional work, Scirocco! I have no thread to add in but I just want to tell that it would be a bit easier to find the thread if you can add some spaces or the Head alphabet before changing the letter.(A,B,C,...)<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Eluchil » Sun Apr 06, 2003 6:48 am

Very comprehensive and well done scirocco. You have included three of the 4 threads I tracked down when I saw the title. The only one I might mention is <a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=58515">The Creative Equivalent of the People</a> which while short includdes some, IMHO, useful reflections on how Tolkien's mythos compares to those of the "real" world. The only change I might consider is finding some way to list more than one thread under a question. Surely there have been more than one useful discussion of, say, Norse mythology.<BR><BR>Thanks a bunch for this list!
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Postby scirocco » Sun Apr 06, 2003 7:24 am

Thanks, kkokon and Eluchil, I've now updated the list with alphabetic separators (I think this is what you meant, kkokon) and will add Arphy's thread to the list tomorrow.<BR><BR>I recognise the difficulty with posting multiple threads on the same topic. I guess within the fairly simple structure I've created we will just have to put up with the same keywords for multiple threads. Perhaps I'll just be really selective, make an editorial decision, and only post the one I like best! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby FrodoTook » Sun Apr 06, 2003 7:57 pm

This is exceptional.

I know for this list to come to fruition involved much research, time, dedication and love of Tolkiens works on your part scirocco

I will make good use of this thread and look forward to checking into all of the links.

Once again...a Very Sincere THANK YOU
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Postby scirocco » Mon Apr 07, 2003 4:11 am

Thanks, hope the list will be of use.<BR><BR>Updated with Arphy's <a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=58515">The Creative Equivalent of a People?</a> and Preacherdude's <a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=49392">Why is Eru so rarely mentioned?</a>.<BR><BR>
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Postby daesul » Mon Apr 07, 2003 5:47 am

I'm very impressed, <b>scirocco</b>. Thank you for taking on such a daunting task. <BR><BR>It must have something to do with the accidental deletion of all those threads, but several of the links (14 by my count) open a thread with no posts. I don't really know how one goes about fixing that problem, or I would do it myself. If you or anyone else who <i>does</i> know how that works would like to take care of it, I did write down the names of all the disembodied threads. Rather than take up space posting them all here, you can email me, and I'll send you the list. Or you could tell me how to do it myself. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Again, excellent work! I already have a few in mind to add; just need to find them.
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Postby scirocco » Mon Apr 07, 2003 6:24 am

Thanks daesul, please check your email. Most frustrating, as several previously working threads seem to have disappeared. Is this a common occurrence? Maybe they'll reappear?<BR><BR>I have also noticed that some early threads seem to have lost their titles, although the thread content is still intact (e.g the Blue Wizards thread).
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Postby wilko185 » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:32 am

scirocco, this is a wonderful resource <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>. I wish I'd got into the habit of bookmarking threads, there are quite a few I've been unable to find when I want them, and a couple of mine have disappeared from the search index.<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=29&threadid=61473">This thread</a> might solve both problems you've encountered. The Mods are archiving threads which haven't been posted to for over a year, which might explain the disappearing threads. I assume the "archive" will be accessible when it's done (I certainly hope so!).<BR><BR>In the process of doing this, several thousand threads accidentally lost their titles (which have been replaced by numbers, as in the Blue Wizards thread) and original forum (they've all been moved to the "Accidentally Deleted Threads" forum). You should post to the above thread with the name and location of these threads, if you happen to know it, so they can be restored.<BR><BR>Some more for your consideration (<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0> forgive me choosing one I've started, it's the contributions of others that makes it worthwhile)<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=39798">The Darkness - how deep?</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=45672">Veiled Vistas</a> <BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=56303">Sea-longing</a>
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Postby scirocco » Mon Apr 07, 2003 8:43 pm

Cheers wilko, I'll ask for the deleted ones to be restored.<BR><BR>I'd be honoured to include any threads you've started.
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Postby daesul » Tue Apr 08, 2003 3:29 am

Since I simply cannot manage to ever place a working link in my posts, I'll just give you the name and number.<BR><BR>61701: The importance of DOORS in LOTR
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Postby FrodoTook » Tue Apr 08, 2003 4:30 am

For daesul <BR><BR>Here is the link to <BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=58&threadid=61701">The importance of DOORS in LOTR</a><BR>I have moved the thread from the deleted threads back into "Books".<BR><BR>BTW, Thank you wilko185 for supplying links to...<BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=39798">The Darkness - how deep?</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=45672">Veiled Vistas</a> <BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=56303">Sea-longing</a><BR><BR>I really enjoyed reading those wonderful threads.<BR><BR>FT<BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby FrodoTook » Tue Apr 08, 2003 5:31 am

Here are a few more...Some good info within each IMO...<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=22851">Oldest Characters...A List</a><BR>In harmony with "Oldest" but with more characters.<BR>A good thread, IMO.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=32&threadid=23009">Stars and Constellations of Middle-earth</a><BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=22653">Miruvor, Lembas and Orc-Draughts</a><BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=58&threadid=22061"> The Fox in FotR</a><BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=20561">Radagast ( a failure? ) and The Blue Wizards</a><BR><BR>More on...<BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=22237">The mystery of the Two Blue Wizards</a><BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=19901">Orcs. The same as Goblins?</a><BR>The above thread sheds a little more light onto the topic that was discussed in one you have already listed...<BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=49662">Orcs, equivalent to goblins</a> - Another question concerning orcs
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Postby Bilbo25 » Tue Apr 08, 2003 1:38 pm

Here is an interesting little thread I found on Reincarnation.<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=45731">http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=45731</a><BR><BR>Also, Here are some links that dicusses the the relationship between Joseph Campbell and Tolkien<BR><BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=48181">http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=48181</a><BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=19463">http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=19463</a>
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Postby greenleafwood » Tue Apr 08, 2003 1:59 pm

good work, <b>scirocco</b>. I hope some of the worthy threads you posted may be bumped for further lively discussion!<BR><BR>greenleaf
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Postby Parmamaite » Wed Apr 09, 2003 10:54 pm

This impressive list deserves to be on the front page <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>In other words: bump
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Postby scirocco » Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:13 am

Thank you all for the suggested threads. I have also had the greatest of pleasure in re-reading them. I have added many of them to the list. <BR><BR>I have also removed the links which no longer work (thanks for checking, daesul) - it would seem that these threads are gone for ever, unfortunately. I was particularly sad to lose wilko's old "Slapped together carelessly" thread - do you happen to know where it's gone, wilko?<BR><BR>I would also like to find jnyusa's recent thread about myth in LOTR where there was the dicussion about the Cat and the Fiddle nursery rhyme - if anyone can find it, please post the link. Also another good one from wilko, titled something like Tolkien, an abysmal poet? if anyone can find a link to it.<BR><BR>Sorry, F_T, I missed the Doors one - I'll do it next time.<BR><BR>Added:<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=39798">The Darkness - how deep?</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=45672">Veiled Vistas</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=56303">Sea-longing</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=52442">Elven Telepathy</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=20561">Radagast ( a failure?) and The Blue Wizards</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=22237">The mystery of the Two Blue Wizards</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=19901">Are Goblins the same as Orcs?</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=50061">Glorfindel</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=48181">Joseph Campbell</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=19463">The Fellowship as heroes by Joseph Campbell's definition</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=22653">Miruvor, Lembas and Orc-Draughts..what are they made of?</a>
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Postby FrodoTook » Fri Apr 11, 2003 12:32 am

I think <a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=10003">Círdan's beard</a> is worth looking into.
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Postby scirocco » Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:38 am

List updated with:<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=10003">Círdan's beard</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=61701">The importance of DOORS in LOTR</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=43999">Call for references: Glorfindel</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=45303">Glorfindel - what was the fuss?</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=51188">Numenor is Atlantis?</a>
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Postby -Rómestámo- » Fri Apr 11, 2003 9:30 am

Hi <b>scirocco</b> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> !<BR>Congratulations on this excellent undertaking.<BR>I tracked down <b>Jnyusa</b>'s <a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=63315">Echoes of Other Myth in LotR</a>.
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Postby naias » Fri Apr 11, 2003 10:00 am

Hello Scirocco.Thank you for the excellent idea...this thread is a gem!<BR><BR>I would like to add a suggestion: it is the "Frodo's kitchen: A Safe Haven for Devotees of the Books" thread (threadid 48833)This is a thread devoted to hobbitlore and it is the longest non trivia thread in Books. In its long pages and monster posts I think there can be found exceptional insights on a great number of issues that conscern the hobbits, the quest and not only.<BR><BR>Thank you again<BR><BR>naias
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Postby scirocco » Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:54 am

Thanks very much <b>Rómestámo</b> and <b>naias</b>.<BR><BR>Naias, I've included the Frodo's Kitchen thread although I hadn't really intended to include any of the multi-topic threads. I've classified it under "hobbit-lore" as you suggest but welcome any better keyword.<BR><BR>Added today:<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=42138">why did academic world give negative criticism?</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=63315">Echoes of Other Myth in LotR</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=45835">Elves and the Second Music</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=57236">A hidden door</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=54540">TWINS in ME?</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=48833">Frodo's Kitchen: A Safe Haven for Devotees of the Books</a>
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Postby truehobbit » Sat Apr 12, 2003 12:06 pm

What a great idea, Scirocco!<BR><BR>Naias, you beat me to proposing insertion of Frodo's kitchen <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> - so there's only one left I wanted to mention. Another thread about hobbits that I found very insightful at the time was <a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?start=60&catid=27&threadid=47937"> "The ring's temptation of Sam" </a>, id=47937.
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Postby wilko185 » Sat Apr 12, 2003 1:27 pm

<i>Also another good one from wilko, titled something like Tolkien, an abysmal poet?</i><BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0> It's disappeared. I found a link to another of my threads which has vanished as well. From what is said in the thread about the missing threads, I hope these threads are temporarily archived and will be back.<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=36969">Was Tolkien an abysmal poet?</a><BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=40213">Was finding the Ring good luck or bad?</a><BR>
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Postby Queen_Beruthiel » Sat Apr 12, 2003 1:35 pm

Excellent resource, scirocco! Here's an interesting thread started by Arphy: "Condescending to the hobbits"<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=62510">http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=62510</a><BR><BR>He also started one on orphans in LOTR, although a front page search has failed to bring anything up. Maybe it was called something else. Can anyone remember?
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Postby daesul » Sat Apr 12, 2003 3:17 pm

I believe the thread you are thinking of is <i>Father-figures in LOTR</i>, Queen_B. It's thread ID is 62127.
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Postby -Rómestámo- » Sun Apr 13, 2003 12:29 pm

Another excellent recent thread is <a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=64283">Did Hobbits play chess?</a>. ( threadid=64283 )<BR><BR>Plus there needs to be a "Pointy Ears" thread- perhaps <a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=54233">Do Elves REALLY have pointy ears?!</a> ( threadid=54233 ) which is succinct (3 posts); or <a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=56792">Elvish Ears</a> ( threadid=56792 ) which is not (72 posts, some Off-topic) <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>. <BR><BR>The only dedicated 'Hobbit Ears' thread is not a Books thread and doesn't treat the topic seriously.
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Postby scirocco » Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:30 am

Thanks for the suggestions. List has been updated accordingly with the following threads, including (sigh), an Elves-with-pointy-ears one. <BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=62127">Father-figures in LOTR</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=62510">Condescending to the hobbits</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=64283">Do Hobbits play chess?</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=47937">The ring's temptation of Sam</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=54233">Do Elves REALLY have pointy ears?!</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=42134">Debate over the origin of the Witch-King</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=44038">Saruman and Aragorn</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=44478">Elves dont sleep. but the maiar do?</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=20111">Why not use the eagles to fly the ring to Mt Doom?</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=44625">The elven swords…</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=44351">Ilúvatar's gift to Men</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=45142">The Names of Gandalf</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=43904">Gandalf and his lack of magic...</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=47530">How did the Valar Err?</a><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=46670">Gollum/Smeagol Analysis and Theory</a>
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Postby FrodoTook » Sat Apr 19, 2003 8:31 am

Paging <BR><b>scirocco,<BR>-Rómestámo-,<BR>Wilko185,<BR>Eluchil,<BR>ArPharazon</b><BR>and to anyone else who has detailed knowledge of Tolkiens works. I have a question which I have asked in<a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=55011">Ring, in Numenor</a> in my post dated Apr/18/2003 12:47 PM. I have searched through the listed "Ring" threads and have not seen this discussed before and I really do not know if the questions I have are worthy of a new seperate thread.<BR><BR>Could one of you ( or all of you, which would be even better <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>) please take a look at my question(s) in that post. I know the answers might get into some opinions which is OK because that is what I want plus any references which you could provide which might give me some answers.<BR><BR>Thanks again to scirocco for maintaining this fine thread which I am thoroughly enjoying and to all who have taken the time to provide the links to all of these wonderful threads. I really do appreciate it.<BR><BR>FT
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Postby sammy » Mon Apr 21, 2003 12:22 am

This is a very useful thread - thanks for doing it!<BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><BR>sammy
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