The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and Tolkien - The One Ring

by **GoldSeven** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:23 pm

Yes, I always draw him with some sort of pale brownish hair. Always have. Someone on Elfwood once told me there was a reference to fair hair in the Lay of Leithian, but I haven't looked at it again.

It's a long debate whether "the Fair" means light-haired, light-skinned or just beautiful - but his name is mentioned in such an antithesis to Caranthir the Dark that I always thought it referred to his hair.

And it can NOT have meant his character

Have you got the German Silmarillion there, by the way? How did they translate "the Fair"? I've only got a couple of English versions. ^^;;

by **GoldSeven** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:12 am

Aaaand... shaded.

http://goldseven.de/wp_celecuru_sh.jpg

EDIT:
Aaaaaaand.... finished. But I'll wait for Anke's before I post it.

by **Khorazir** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:15 pm

I've seen it, I've seen it already

I hope mine will follow soon. Today I got more done than I thought I would, because I found out that one can paint in the car

We got stuck in traffic for about an hour on the way back from rehab, and luckily I had everything I needed with me

I very much like both your versions. The shaded, uncoloured one seems to have even more impact than the other, perhaps because the dramatic lighting is more prominent here. But the colouring in the other is also great. I look forward to seeing our versions next to each other.

Oh, I also love how the paper's structure can be seen, mostly in the background

I'm going to check the translation of "fair" in the Silm.

by **GoldSeven** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:13 pm

Never thought I would say this, but: hooray for traffic-jams!

by **Khorazir** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:24 am

Indeed

. Got a bit more done yesterday, but the rest (mostly the background) I won't manage before Sunday evening.

I've checked the Silm. Mostly "fair" has been translated with "schön", but in the listing of the sons of Feanor, "Celegorm the fair" is "Celegorm der Helle". It's followed by "Caranthir der Dunkle", so it may indeed be a reference to the colour of his hair, since Caranthir is elsewhere said to be darkhaired.

by **GoldSeven** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:35 am

Yes, I thought so! That would explain why I never changed my views on Celegorm's hair colour.

Especially as he is never said to be dark-haired anywhere.

It came as a real shock to me when I finally had it black on white that Fingolfin and his sons had dark hair. I think that was one of the reasons that stopped me drawing Silmarillion themed pics in 1996. I simply couldn't come up with a dark-haired Fingon then... and now look at me, drawing Maedhros with long hair

by **Khorazir** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 7:45 am

For many years I wasn't sure about Fingon's haircolour, but since I didn't have to draw him (well, I did once, but there he wears a mail neckguard over his hair), it didn't matter so much. When I found out that he's darkhaired, I thought, well, ok. But it's different of course if you're used to depicting the characters differently.

by **GoldSeven** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:03 am

You have a pic of Fingon? I only remember the one of Fingolfin challenging Morgoth. (Also with mail coif)

by **Khorazir** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:05 am

I meant Fingolfin ... lala ... lack of sleep

by **GoldSeven** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:04 pm

Hey, I'm the one with the baby who's declaring that every night should end at four AM!

Got any painting done today? ^^

by **Khorazir** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:16 pm

I'm working on the background right now. Not quite sure yet about the amount of detail that's going to go in there, though.

by **GoldSeven** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:37 am

Don't worry, mine was a quick one too - you'll only put me to shame

by **Khorazir** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:40 am

Ah, I don't think so. I decided to go for the more "abstract" background. That's the nice thing about watercolour -- you can leave it to do what it wants sometimes

Painting is finished, I only need to scan it and put it up on my site

by **GoldSeven** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:11 am

Yaaaay!

Shall we present it as some sort of "mini comic"? You can send it over, and I'll put it together in Photoshop, with the accompanying text under it. I haven't got any duties tonight.

Then I'll send it back to you for approval.

by **Khorazir** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:19 am

Ok, great. I'll mail it to you.

I've already put the quote up on my site, so you don't have to type it again

by **GoldSeven** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:49 am

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That was my head banging on the keyboard, because I found this post AFTER I had typed it all... :roll:

by **Khorazir** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 11:26 am

Ouch! Well, at least this way both of us did a bit of reading in the Silm today

by **GoldSeven** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:15 pm

I need to be careful with the Silm. If it just lies around on my table and I pick it up to put it back on the shelf, you can forget me for the next two hours at least!

Shall we post the finished pic here? Open a new thread? Is anyone even reading here apart from the two of us?

by **Khorazir** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:38 pm

I've no idea. There used to be more people around. We could post it here and in your thread as well. And open a new one -- just to make sure people see it

by **RakshaTheDemon** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:56 pm

Anke, your new picture of Aredhel is absolutely gorgeous. She looks like a tough customer, not a fragile little elf-princess, or maybe a bit of both. The picture inspired me to write a double-drabble about Eol and Aredhel, which I'll post later at SoA, after I've polished it up a bit and written a few other short pieces...

RAKSHA

by **Khorazir** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:26 am

Sounds cool, Raksha, I look forward to it

by **rowanberry** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:37 am

Yes, Aredhel looks great.

Like Raksha said, she looks like someone who can perfectly well look after herself and knows what she's doing. And, in this picture, I can't find a single one of those little things that bother me in many of your paintings. :wink:

by **RakshaTheDemon** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:34 pm

To paraphrase one of my favorite television characters - Aredhel looks like she wants a bit of monster in her man. Poor thing; that's what she got, and she, and then all of Gondolin, paid for it. Aredhel also looks both restless and driven.

RAKSHA :twisted:

by **NienorNiniel** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:43 pm

Am I the only one seeing a certain resemblance between this totally unknown guy and Túrin in Anke's Túrin and Beleg picture (scroll down)?

by **niamh** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:55 am

NienorNiniel wrote::|

Am I the only one seeing a certain resemblance between this totally unknown guy and Túrin in Anke's Túrin and Beleg picture (scroll down)?

Not sure, I get a 403 on the first link

by **NienorNiniel** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:42 am

Fixed it, it works for me now.

by **rowanberry** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:49 am

Yes, there really is some kind of resemblance.

(BTW, Anke herself hasn't been around for ages.

)

by **Old_Tom_Bombadil** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:47 am

Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!

If you fancy Anke's work, I encourage you to visit her shop at Gallery Kunst +. She has prints available for 75 ¤, posters for 15 ¤, and postcards for 1,50 ¤.

I just purchased a poster of her splendid painting of Tom Bombadil.

by **Canamarth** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:29 am

And how much did she pay you for saying that?

by **rowanberry** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:34 pm

Are you still in touch with Anke, Canamarth? She doesn't post much anywhere nowadays...

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