Fantasy novel Eragon -- names similar to Tolkien's

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Postby digital_nightfall » Fri Jun 27, 2003 4:04 pm

ATTENTION ALL LORD OF THE RINGS/ERAGON FANS!!!<BR>To start off Eragon is a fantasy book by Christopher Paolini that is coming out on August 26, 2003. I have received an advanced reading copy of Eragon and enjoyed it thoroughly. I must say that for his age (19 years old) Paolini obviously has an innate talent for writing. Eragon is only the first of The Inheritance Trilogy, and I urge any fantasy fan that enjoys reading about elves, wizards and dragons to pick it up once it is published. But this is all beside the point. I am also a dedicated fan of J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings series, and I’ve found numerous words in Eragon that bare an uncanny resemblance to words/names in the Lord of the Rings series. Words/names from Christopher Paolini’s novel are on the left, and the comparison words from The Lord of the Rings are on the right.<BR><BR>Imiladris>Imladris<BR>Vanilor>Valinor<BR>Ardwen>Arwen<BR>Ceranthor>Caranthir<BR>Bierland>Beleriand<BR>Narda>Varda<BR>Isenstar>Isengaurd<BR>Melian>Melian<BR>Mithrim>Mithrim<BR>Isidar>Isildur<BR>Turin>Tûrin<BR>Eragon>Aragorn (comparison in pronunciation)<BR>EHR-uh-gone>HER-uh-gorn<BR> <BR> I’d like to make this known to all Lord of the Rings and Eragon fans, and hopefully Paolini will catch word that if he doesn’t take heed to these small but defiant errors, many Tolkien fans will be (to put it nicely) irritated.<BR> I have already sent out numerous e-mails to the fellow fans, and posted a few reviews of Paolini’s novel, so if you can help, that would be great. Please don’t take this to mean that Eragon is a poor novel, because despite these irritating resemblances, it is a very decent book. I hope (with some effort) we can contact Paolini and get him to change these words before the publish.<BR> Thank you, Erin Fox<BR><BR>To contact me:<BR>E-mail- fire_keeper_@hotmail.com
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Postby crispycreme » Fri Jun 27, 2003 4:19 pm

Moving this to "Books - Other Authors".
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Postby Tovar » Fri Jun 27, 2003 5:21 pm

Doesn't seem that urgent to me. <BR><BR>In fact, it absolutely stinks of advertisement.
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Postby Celebrindae » Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:09 am

<i>Eragon>Aragorn (comparison in pronunciation)<BR>EHR-uh-gone>HER-uh-gorn</i><BR><BR>Actually, Aragorn is pronounced exactly as it is written, with 'a's like in 'father' but shorter<BR>
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Postby Steerpike » Sat Jun 28, 2003 3:51 am

I think you're over-reacting.
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Postby Kestrel » Sat Jun 28, 2003 6:02 am

digital_nightfall,<BR><BR>I edited the title of this thread because I felt it was screaming at me, and also that it was misleading. I'm honestly don't quite get your point and would appreciate clarification. Are you protesting the fact that the names in the new book appear to be Tolkien ripoffs, that they were misspellings of Tolkien names, or what?<BR><BR>Or were you trying to advertise the book? <BR><BR>Perplexed,<BR>Kestrel<BR>
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Postby jeanelf » Wed Sep 24, 2003 2:21 pm

Well, I'm not sure what point the author of the thread is going for, either, but I can say that I'm halfway through the book and it's a pretty good read. I read about it at Amazon and it's worth picking up. This kid starting writing the story at age 15 and he's definitely got a bright future. It was a little slow at first, but now I'm as engrossed as any other fantasy novel I've read (short of LOTR, of course).<BR><BR>By the way, I'm halfway through and if there are that many "similar" words, I haven't seen them yet or they're used in a way that hasn't jumped out at me so far.
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Postby Cuivienen7 » Sun Jan 11, 2004 9:04 pm

I'm reviving an old thread, I know, but I found a link to this one from a newer thread and figured I'd revive it instead of requesting that the other thread be unlocked.<BR><BR>Anyway, remember that Christopher Paolini was only 15 when he wrote <i>Eragon</i> -- I wrote fantasy stories at that age with similar names to those in a wide variety of fantasy books. Certainly you can't criticize him.<BR><BR>Perhaps Robert Jordan's use of Arthurian mythology in <i>The Wheel of Time</i> intrudes on <i>The Once and Future King</i> as well?
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Postby Elrámë » Sun Jan 11, 2004 10:03 pm

What did people think of Eragon, anyway? (as we seem to be confined to using this thread to talk about it! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>)<BR><BR>I rather liked it but thought there were some bits that just didn't fit with the tone ("Behold! I am a dragonrider!"<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>...anyone else? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>
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Postby Elanor_of_Lorien » Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:53 am

I'm reading the book right now and I can't put it down! There's nothing at all wrong with it.
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Postby A_Elbereth_Gilthoniel! » Sat Jan 17, 2004 9:35 am

Hmm. Amazon reviews suggest that there is quite the dichotomy of opinions on this one. My biggest concern is that those who didn't like it complain about the quality of the writing. I recently re-read a childhood favorite, a classic of fantasy fiction, and it was terribly trite. It will remain unamed, as I don't wish to be flogged by others here. I'm somehow tempted to try Eragon anyway; has any one else read it?
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Postby jallan » Sat Jan 17, 2004 11:48 am

Cuivienen7 posted:<BR><BR><< Anyway, remember that Christopher Paolini was only 15 when he wrote Eragon -- I wrote fantasy stories at that age with similar names to those in a wide variety of fantasy books. Certainly you can't criticize him. >><BR><BR>A non sequitor.<BR><BR>One can be indulgent towards anyone at any age attempting something and not totally succeeding.<BR><BR>But a book does not become better or worse because of the age or gender or nationality of the author, thoug one's perception of it does change. Badly derivative naming remains badly derivative naming, though Christopher Paolini is hardly alone in that respect.<BR><BR>
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Postby LMDBrighteyes » Thu Feb 05, 2004 6:54 pm

Digital...YOU ROCK!! I only read the first post, so I don't really know what you guys have been talking about, but this Paolini guy REALLY annoys me! I'm sorry to be complaining, but its nerver-racking how he got his book published...you know how, right?? HIS PARENTS GOT IT PUBLISHED WITH THEIR COMPANY!! So his parents got it published with their own company that way it'd be on shelves without any other companies realizing how much he copied from LOTR! Personally, I think he should be sued!<BR><BR>His parents also helped revise and edit a lot of things and he got a lot of ideas from his friends...I've heard some call him "Young Master Paolini"...I'd call him that for fooling a lot of my friends into buying his book and getting so intrigued by it, yet he used names from LOTR and either took away, added, or mixed up the letters of names! I don't think he's so brilliant if he can't make up his own names!<BR><BR>And the way he writes drives me mad! He needs to connect more sentences and...well I don't know <i>write</i> better. Yes, for a 15 year old (when he started it after graduating from high school), he writes fairly well (with a lot of help!), but I've seen a 12 year old write better...at least that ME interested and my friends. And I'll have you know that to get my best friend interested into a book, it has to be pretty dern good! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> and she was completely interseted in a 12 year old's writings. As for me, I can read a dictionary and not get bored, but I couldn't get through the first chapter in the book...I was almost asleep! Well I read on and got to the midddle of the book, but every night, I have to pick up my Harry Potter book and read my heart out until the writings of Paolini are out of my head! <BR><BR>I can't have that kind of writing in my head before I go to bed <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> I don't know if any of you know what I mean......<BR><BR><BR>******I am DEEPLY sorry for all of that...if you read any of that <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> I've been waiting to get that off my chest for a LONG time <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> Well I'm not satified with the book, I wouldn't even mind if the series didn't continue, not to be crude, but that's how I feel <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0> And if it does continue, and if it attempts to over run Harry Potter or LOTR, I promise that I'll cause an uproar of diapproval! I'm not going to be pretty if this Paolini tries to take Tolkien and Rowlings fame! Personally, I figure that if I'd ever meet him, he'd be pretty rude as in a braggy type. At the back of the book, he brags quite a bit, but it takes reading between the lines to see a bit.<BR><BR>**I'm open for arguments if anyone disagrees with what I've said. I think I might send him a 'fan mail' and tell him exactly how I feel about all this <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><BR><BR>As a writer myself, I'm disturbed by all of this. If Eragon ever does flourish, I'll keep a blind eye on it. He has a neat story line, so I'll continue to read his books and see how much he improves, but his names can't continues like they have. I'm just glad that his idea is original though his names are not.<BR><BR>**To add to what Jallan said, I started to write at age 7 and I KNEW better than to copy names. Once I was 12, I checked and double-checked all my writings to make sure that nothing has been copied unless I KNOW that I had the name first. For instance, I thought I made up the name Rithmere, but later, I found it in a book. I was so upset, but I left it. Now, Paolini is obviously aware of all LOTR books, so why would he copy the names and simply switch them around? He's 15!! He should KNOW better! It's called plagarism...I knew that when I was 9 (knew the word for it at least)!! Now surely, as 'good' as a writer as some claim him to be, he should be aware of such things.<BR><BR>*Namarie*
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Postby PrincessIlarian » Fri Feb 06, 2004 10:53 am

LMD...I must respectfully disagree. I think you're being a bit hard on Paolini. After all, he's a kid who enjoys writing, and was fortunate enough to get a book published. Yes, his parents published it with their company, but then Alfred A. Knopf (a major publishing house) picked it up, revised it to tighten things up, and published it under their name.<BR><BR>Yes, I have read the book (several times) and I must confess to enjoying it. No, it isn't the most grand, complex, soaring noble epic of all time, but it's a fun and accessible fantasy story. I don't think that Paolini is trying to 'steal Tolkien or Rowling's fame.' Far from it; I think he's just a promising young writer who loves what he does. I can sympathize with him. I am also a young writer, and I love what I do more than anything.<BR><BR>I think everyone agrees that there will never be another Tolkien, and if we constantly compare everyone in the genre to him, then all we will do is disappoint ourselves. I've also read the author description where he supposedly brags about himself, and I really don't see what your problem with it is. If it's the fact that he noted he began writing the book when he was fifteen - it's the truth, and he doesn't say it in a presumptuous or overbearing manner.<BR><BR>As for the names similar to Tolkien's - yes, they are there, but mostly on the maps, and they really don't annoy me. I suppose I can allow to let that sort of thing slide, because every fantasy author is influenced by Tolkien in some way or another. It doesn't make me furious and insist that the offending author be burned at the stake for heresy. Paolini said himself that what he wanted to do was write a 'dyed-in-the-wool hero story' and that was what he did.<BR><BR>Now, if you want to see an author with an ego...try Terry Goodkind. There's a man too big for his britches.<BR><BR>~Ilarian
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Postby Elwin_Halfelven » Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:20 pm

I bought the book for my brother because it looked interesting, but only read bits of it. I think the writing is terrible, no offense, but it is. I suppose it's not too bad for a fifteen-year-old, but it's not the kind of thing I think I could stand to read for very long. He DOES copy a lot of names, which I think he should definately be more careful about. I'm writing my own fantasy story too, and I also check to make sure that I'm not using any names that aren't mine. That is very important to me.<BR><BR>I'm sure I could find more to complain about if I had actually read the book. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0>
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Postby PrincessIlarian » Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:47 pm

Like most people here seem to be, I am also writing my own book (I've written nearly a dozen) and I make sure not to copy names. However, the fact that some of Paolini's names are similiar to Tolkien's just doesn't bother me. I'm sorry to see that so many people here disliked the book. It doesn't have to be LOTR for me to like a book. Yes, the writing can be 'young,' but there are also some places where it is quite good. No, it is not a perfect book. Did I like it? Yes.<BR><BR>Some of the more obviously copied names were changed for the Alfred A. Knopf edition. Yes, some utter FILTH gets published these days, which makes you wonder how it ever got past the editor, let alone endorsed by a publishing company. <i>Eragon</i>, in my opinion, isn't one of those. It's a decent fantasy story written by a kid who I think will learn more and improve if he keeps up with his career.<BR><BR>I believe that, like all writers, Paolini will improve if he keeps at his craft.<BR><BR>~Ilarian
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Postby LMDBrighteyes » Sat Feb 07, 2004 2:38 pm

I agree with Elwin***He WAS after all 15 and I guess if he doesn't write well that means he's just not experienced, but that would mean that all of a sudden, after he graduated from high school, he decided he was going to write a fantasy series...hhmmmm...makes me think a bit...Perhaps that was after he read the LOTR series...<BR><BR>I mean, it's definitly okay to be influenced by a writer and begin to write a series yourself, but to copy names the way he did...that's TOO far for me! Like I said before, I'm just glad that he had a different idea for his books...then again...there's this one book (I forget where I read it) that has Dragonriders in it. I read it a while back, but just like J.K.R. he most likely got ideas from seeing movies or from what he read...which is okay...adds a bit of a twist to things, but he needs to polish up on his writing skills if he likes writing that much, or his editors need to help out more because I haven't even got past the third chapter, I've skipped around a lot just to see how he writes (I do that with most books that I'm unsure about) to see whether I could stand it or not...turns out, I can't. I just can't, and I'm deeply sorry for all of you who like those books and can stand to read them.<BR><BR>True, it doesn't have to be the best novel ever for me to read it, but honestly, I can't read his...like I've said before, I've read the dictionary and haven't got bored...<BR><BR>For those of you who are familiar with Sloan, the butcher, that's one character that I can't understand along with Eragon. Garrow is okay and so is Roran (reminds me of Rohan...). The character of Eragon annoys me by the fact that he's a bit odd, I mean in the fact that in the beginning he 'ponders' what just happened when he found the 'stone', why 'ponder'? He found a stone...SO?? If he pondered anything, it should have been why the stone was left there, not what just happened (meaning that he found a stone). Okay, one mistake, big deal, yet still, that's what threw me off in the beginning...<BR><BR>Back to his writing, HE ADDS TOO MUCH DETAIL!!! Yes, details are excellent, that's what makes up half the book and makes it interesting and understandable...but he adds UNNECCISARY details...details that anyone could care less about...it even throws things off subject. A couple of times, I forgot where he was just by reading all the extra stuff he put in the middle!!<BR><BR>Well I could ramble on, but I'll stop for now to see what others think...
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Postby Elrámë » Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:11 pm

<b>Ilarien</b>: anything published? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I actually rather liked most of it- no, it's not particularily wonderful, but there ARE good things about it; it actually makes a fairly good read, if you're willing to. However, there was also quite a bit that I didn't really like and like less thinking about them- but I haven't read the book in some six months and didn't think it was so good that I'm willing to reread it soon afterwards. So I'd say, fairly good book but not particularily brilliant. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby luthienelflover » Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:59 pm

I have to agree with Elrámë. (I'm just seeing you <i>everywhere</i> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>)<BR><BR>It was a fairly good book. It obviously wasn't up there with LotR or CS Lewis's Space Trilogy, but a decent read and an enjoyable one. The names bothered me a little bit, but they weren't blatant and once I read the names a few times I stopped noticing the similarities. The storyline was mostly original, though I believe that in some places it was a bit cliche. There were times where the writing was awkward, and could have been easily fixed, and there were times where unnecessary detail was indeed added. However, over all, kudos to Christopher Paolini for getting his book published. I think he's a promising young author and hopefully we'll be seeing more from him.<BR><BR>Luthy
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Postby Elrámë » Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:57 pm

<b>Luthy:</b> heh heh heh....<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Nah, I just spend rather too much time on TORC. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><BR><BR>(<i>Edited to add an end-bracket- EVERYTHING was bold <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>)</i>
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Postby Amrunelen » Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:09 pm

Just to add a few more to your list of similar names there....<BR><BR>Hadarac(Harad)<BR>Eldor(Eldar)<BR>Narda(Arda)<BR>Farthen <b>dur</b> <BR>Uden(Udun)<BR><b>Isen</b>tar Vroen<b>gard</b>(Isengard) <BR><b>Beor</b> Mountains<BR>Furnost(Fornost)<BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR>
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Postby luthienelflover » Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:35 pm

There are a lot of similar names, but they didn't really bother me when I read it.<BR><BR>Elrame -- Alas, I have a time limit on the computer... otherwise I'd never be off, except to grab an hour of sleep every week or so <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Luthy
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Postby Elrámë » Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:10 pm

Yeah; the names didn't bother me too much; a few annoyed me a LOT but mostly they were fine.<BR><BR>Luthy: the way to get around that is to spend your life 'doing homework'- which oh-so-coincidentally happens to need to be done on the computer. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0>
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Postby luthienelflover » Wed Feb 18, 2004 3:58 pm

Elrame, in my house, that's the way to get kicked off the computer for weeks <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0> If they catch me on TORC when I'm supposed to be doing homework... <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Back to Eragon, now. I'm so impressed that Mr Paolini was able to publish at 17 (I believe?), I'm willing to forgive some flaws. Do you think this is wrong? Should I be judging his work objectively? I think I'd have some trouble doing that <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Luthy
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Postby PrincessIlarian » Wed Feb 18, 2004 5:55 pm

Elrámë - nope, nothing published. Working on it though. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Luthy - I think that it's impossible to judge Eragon entirely objectively. You need to judge the book as part of a whole, and I suppose that Christopher Paolini's age comes into it. For a book written when the kid was 15, for heaven's sake, it's pretty good. Of course, people have their right to dislike it, and I'm not going to bother arguing against those who do. <BR><BR>I do think that sometimes Tolkien fans get just a bit picky. If a piece of literature is anything like Tolkien, it's automatically plagiarism and a travesty. I'm not arguing against all of this; after all, plagiarism is an offense and I believe you can be prosecuted for it. I carefully check what I've written for any copied names, sentences, etc.<BR><BR>However, my point here is that 99 out of every 100 fantasy authors are influenced by Tolkien, and they show it in varying degrees. It's almost <i>impossible</i> to find a book that shows absolutely no traces of Tolkien or anything else. Other from the aforementioned names, Eragon really isn't a whole lot like Lord of the Rings. It was meant to be a hero story.<BR><BR>Okay, I'm finished now. See you.<BR><BR>~Ilarian
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Postby smIsle » Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:59 pm

The names didn't bother me one bit. I was bothered by what's his name- the old storyteller (now you know why the names didn't bother me... I never remember them <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>) anyhow, the old storyteller seemed a bit too much like Gandalf for my comfort. It really hit when he started blowing smoke rings around and changing them colors I believe. I suppose he was trying to tribute Tolkien, and making it obvious what he was doing, but it still struck a nerve. (spoiler- and if he comes back alive later, I think I'll have a fit <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>)<BR>The writing didn't faze me until I tried to read it out loud and noticed his sentence structures- too many simple short sentences that could have been fixed easily enough. But I didn't notice at all when I read it.<BR><BR>As for being mad that he was published... well, I will say I'm jealous <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> But the publishing company he was first published with was a 'pay for what you have printed' type of deal- not the typical royalty thing.<BR>I enjoyed reading Eragon, even if it was 'just another'. I just hope when I finish writing my book it won't be as cliqued... right now that seems to be wishful thinking <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>There were a few places that were really good, I loved the werecat, and his descriptions were good enough to let me *see* the world better than most books (even Tolkien I must say). If you want to read over descriptions, there are much 'better' examples than Paloni!<BR><BR>Does anyone else have bets going on who Eragon's Father is?<BR><BR>In other news, I read an interview a bit ago where Christopher said his next book is through the eyes of Eragon's cousin... not sure what to think yet.<BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR>
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Postby LMDBrighteyes » Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:25 pm

Through the eyes of his cousin, huh? Well, that wouldn't work too well would it? Isn't Eragon supposed to be the main character? If his cousin tells the story, he'd have to be with Eragon all the time, which is a possibility...<BR><BR>Well, I don't know what you guys think of me...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> I've been a bit critical, but I'm not backing down on anything I've said. I'll keep my bias until Mr. Paolini shows me differently. <BR><BR>I'm glad for those who enjoyed the book. A good book is always wonderful <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> I love to read because to me, a book is just like a movie, and sometimes slightly better <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> As for Eragon, I can't seem to enjoy...perhaps if they made a movie of it, it may be better, but I'm that if Paolini publishes more of his books, the writing will be better and the names will not be a copy from that of LOTR...<BR><BR>Not to have a go on those who don't mind the names, but I don't see how you can just ignore them! They are SSOOO MUCH like the LOTR names that it drives me mad! But for those of you who don't mind, I wonder what J.R.R. would think if he saw Paolini's work. I'm not so sure he'd go straight to praising the writing. If I were him, the first thing I'd notice would be the names, and I wouldn't be too happy. I mean, spending YEARS coming up with all he did and the names get copied into what others think will become a "great novel"!! Of course, though, I'm not Tolkien, and I never knew him personally, so I wouldn't know how he'd respond to all of this, but the thought has hit me more than once.<BR><BR>I can't think of much more to say, but if I were a famous author such as Tolkien or J.K. or C.S., my thought would be-<BR><BR>"Paolini...young, creative, and master of plagerism." -LMD<BR><BR>Please don't take that seriously. It was only a joke...in fact, I don't think I'd have a comment to put for Eragon besides that, and that is harsh and too mean, so scratch that. <BR><BR>I didn't mean to sound rude in putting that, but that is my point of view. <BR><BR>***What's everyone else's?
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Postby luthienelflover » Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:44 pm

Hi LMD! You are, of course, completely welcome to your opinion, and thanks for sharing it <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> And I believe you're right -- if I were Tolkien, I'd probably be very frustrated that he was using names so similar to mine. But he's just a kid. I'm hoping that if he publishes again, he'll have learned better.<BR><BR><i>If a piece of literature is anything like Tolkien, it's automatically plagiarism and a travesty.</i><BR><BR>I've heard that way too often to give many claims of it much credit. Most fantasy authors were influenced by Tolkien in some way. He practically invented the idea of fantasy set in a completely separate world from our own. There are tons of fantasy books on the market now, and a great percentage of them are like that. Are they all plagiarism? I think that people need to get a bit of a grip and stop trying to defend something with their lives that honestly can stand without defense <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Speaking of which, though, I heard a troubling comment today. We were actually talking about the Oscars, so we were talking about the movies to start with, not the books. We were talking about Best Picture. When I mentioned I hoped that Return of the King would win, one young woman said that it was "based too much on other epic fantasy movies". When I mentioned that it was based on books published in the 50s, upon which writing had begun long before, she <i>insisted</b> that Tolkien had based his books on some "epic fantasies". I said I had never heard of any such thing and let it drop. But it bothered me that people can think that a movie is the only thing to judge. If the movies are like other epic fantasies, well, it's because those epic fantasies were based off Tolkien in the first place. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Luthy
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Postby PrincessIlarian » Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:23 pm

Luthy - you misunderstand me. I was stating a point that I did not agree with. The original phrase was: <i>I think that sometimes Tolkien fans get a bit too picky. If a piece of literature is anything like Tolkien, it's automatically plagiarism and a travesty.</i> This is not what I meant. What I should have said was, <i>I think that sometimes Tolkien fans get a bit too picky. They think that if a piece of literature is anything like Tolkien, it's automatically plagiarism and a travesty.</i> I don't. In the rest of my post, I stated that many, many books were based on Tolkien. I'm just not as irked by that, as almost all fantasy authors have taken a few cues from Tolkien.<BR><BR>Sorry about that...I hope you see what I mean now.<BR><BR>~Ilarian<BR><BR>P.S. Through the eyes of Roran (I think that was his name) huh? I wonder how that will work.
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Postby Elrámë » Thu Feb 19, 2004 7:49 pm

Heh...Smisle, I know what you mean...about the only names I remember are Eragon, Arya (if that was even her name <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0>) and Sephira. Heh...<BR><BR>Through <b>Roran's</b> eyes? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> Weird!<BR><BR>And my bet for Eragon's daddy <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> is on wossisname, the evil king. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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