Iavas_Saar
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 5:35 am |
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From the TTT EE:
Boromir Reclaims Osgiliath
Boromir triumphs in Osgiliath
From ROTK:
Battle Rages In Osgiliath
My god, especially in those 2 TTT EE pics, Osgiliath is just STUNNING. Why did we not see this beauty in the TTT TC??? I mean it was still great in the TC, especially Frodo and the nazgul, but this takes it to another level.
With these new pics, I become even more thankful that PJ decided to make Osgiliath more important in the films. The opportunity for something visually stunning has been realised beyond anything I could have imagined from the books.
I mean Minas Tirith is supposed to be the big showpiece, but I think Osgiliath rivals it in these pics. Just amazing work. So who will join me in swooning for Osgiliath?
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TheFlyingButtress
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 5:41 am |
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Yeah, I'll join you on this one Iavas.
There is something strangely haunting and very evocative about ruins, and yes, that word again, sublime. Ruins have a very disarming effect on me at a very base level, and I can`t quite explain it.
I bet that second shot of Boromir will be a fantastic pan around him. Very PJ. 
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Iavas_Saar
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 5:46 am |
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I was tempted to use 'sublime'. 
You're right, there's something very evocative about ruins, and when they're on such a grand scale as this, you have something very special.
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The_Angel
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 5:47 am |
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Sorry Iavas, I am currently swooning for Keira Knightly.
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RangerSmith
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 5:48 am |
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I SWOOON for Osgiliath!
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Dances-With-Shrapnel
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 5:49 am |
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It is gorgeous.. and quite remarkable since they assembled it from bits and pieces. Perhaps this assists in a truly chaotic feel to a once proud city.
It does make me wonder why they couldn't at least do more wide shots in the TE though... maybe they were mostly done afterwards for the special extended.
My giblets are quivering in anticipation of the Special Extended!
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JewelSong
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 6:26 am |
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I always loved the Osgiliath scenes for their pure beauty, among other things. It was like watching an oil painting come to life. So, I will join in the swoon.
(Besides, Boromir is hott.)
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 6:42 am |
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I think it's partly because Boromir looks simply brilliant - Sean Bean is exuding something that's just talking to us all. I also belive the ruins are particularly evocative of the Roman Forum. Subliminal effects, but very well chosen.
Yeah, I'll swoon for Osgiliath *and* the Boromir flashback. The EE will blow the theatrical version out of the water - again.
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 6:44 am |
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*joining you* I 2 swoon for Osgiliath. It's so beautiful! I'm hoping that there'll be many scenes from it in RotK. Does anybody know something about that?
Those pics of Boromir reclaiming Osgiliath are SO good! Ruins and a hottie, what more can you ask for? 
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The_Angel
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 6:49 am |
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Ruins and a hottie, what more can you ask for?
Ruins, a hottie, and Keira Knightly in a wet bodice?
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 6:50 am |
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Yes seeing Boromir in his true element amidst the ruins of Osgiliath in victory mode is truly awesome. The 'epic' feel to these shots will really bolster the EE of the TTT.
I, too, must swoon.
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 6:55 am |
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I too shall swooooon for Osgiliath! Looks fantastic!
'Course, I wish we could get a few pics of Faramir besides the back of his head, but I know I must be patient! Absolutely LOVE the Boromir pic with the flag and the raised sword-that is SO Boromir the Warrior, deep in his element, full of love and joy for Gondor, and flush with victory. I think it's a very definitive image of who Boromir is and what he fights for.
So where can I get my 'Osgiliath Boromir in Gondor Armor with Westernesse Flag' action figure??
Sue
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:05 am |
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More Boromir. I'm exulting and drooling all over.
Oh, this is about Osgiliath, right? Yeah, looks great.
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Iavas_Saar
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:13 am |
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I blame my mouse.
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Iavas_Saar
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:13 am |
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I think it's partly because Boromir looks simply brilliant - Sean Bean is exuding something that's just talking to us all.
Boromir definitely complements the scenery perfectly.. and it looks like this flashback will add so much to who he is. Now we'll actually get to see what's being referred to in "Long has my father, the Steward of Gondor, kept the forces of Mordor at bay".
It's so beautiful! I'm hoping that there'll be many scenes from it in RotK. Does anybody know something about that?
We will definitely see the final fall of Osgiliath before the seige of Minas Tirith. I can't wait to see this.
The 'epic' feel to these shots will really bolster the EE of the TTT.
Yes, I find it amazing that such epic shots could have been saved for the EE.. we're in for such a treat!
LOVE the Boromir pic with the flag and the raised sword-that is SO Boromir the Warrior, deep in his element, full of love and joy for Gondor, and flush with victory. I think it's a very definitive image of who Boromir is and what he fights for.
Very well said. This scene would seem to add so much for both Boromir and Faramir.. I wonder if there'll be a similar outcry for why this wasn't in the TTT TC as there was for the extra Lorien not being in the FOTR TC. And we're also going to get Faramir's dream and the cloven horn in the EE, it's just going to add so much extra depth. This is definitely the part of the EE I look forward to most.
Angel, I think we know the reason why *you'll* be going to see Pirates a second time. 
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:19 am |
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The inclusion of Osgiliath was a masterstroke by PJ. Definately a location from the books that NEEDED to be visualised.
How complete and brilliant is TTT EE going to be!
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:20 am |
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We will definitely see the final fall of Osgiliath before the seige of Minas Tirith. I can't wait to see this.
Yei!!!! I can't wait either! Faramir fighting... mmm.
Ruins, a hottie, and Keira Knightly in a wet bodice?
The correct answer would be ruins, a hottie and yet another hottie (like Faramir, for example).
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The_Angel
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:30 am |
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Angel, I think we know the reason why *you'll* be going to see Pirates a second time.
Maybe... more likely to buy the DVD... Freezeframe baby yeah!
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Iavas_Saar
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:32 am |
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The inclusion of Osgiliath was a masterstroke by PJ. Definately a location from the books that NEEDED to be visualised.
I agree, and I think it adds so much to Gondor as a country to see that it has TWO major cities it's really fighting for.
How complete and brilliant is TTT EE going to be!
Well, the EE is looking even more complete with the inclusion of Faramirs dream. The image of him wading into the water, and of Boromirs body in that ghostly blue light... perfect. I'm so thrilled that's in. All the EE needs now to be totally complete is Gandalf vs. Henry on the endless stair, but I fear we won't get that. But I can't complain, as every other addition is just fantastic.
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 8:01 am |
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It is clear that Osgiliath is likely to link all three films.
We saw it - albeit briefly - when Gandalf rode to Minas Tirith in FOTR. Distant ruins at the foot of the Mountains of Mordor.
We saw it - with Frodo - in TTT (cinema release) but it is clear we are to see much more. It's retaking (fleshing out Boromir) by Gondor should be spectacular.
But then, in ROTK, we will (will we not?) see it fall to the enemy again, before the seige of Minas Tirith itself begins.
This, I believe is the reason why PJ introduced Frodo's diversion to Osgiliath. It is a place where two worlds meet, and in the context of the whole epic it is important.
Like everyone else, I am deeply impressed by the pics so far.
ArPhy
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 8:21 am |
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Okay... the ruined city of Osgiliath does look cool by every possible definition.... but would you really want your army to climb up on top of crumbling buildings and stand there as the foundations disentegrated underneath them?
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Kezmoid
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 8:21 am |
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I'm all up for swooning for Osgiliath . There are so many reasons why it was a stroke of genius to have Faramir take Frodo & Sam there, considering the necessary changes PJ had to make.
We will definitely see the final fall of Osgiliath before the seige of Minas Tirith. I can't wait to see this.
I managed to find a few snippets on the fall of Osgiliath from the "Art of the Two Towers" that I found interesting:
These [Osgiliath colour studies] were done for the guys working down on the wet set. ... Some of them are views from the Orc side, at sunset, when they’re about to head over en masse on their rafts. The Art of the Two Towers p133
Don't know why, but I imagine this scene as kind of like watching the D-Day landings (as in Saving Private Ryan) from the PoV of the Germans (and with bows instead of machine-guns) - horrendous casualties for the Orcs but they just keep coming.
Edit:
'Course, I wish we could get a few pics of Faramir besides the back of his head, but I know I must be patient!
Actually Sue there is a pic of Faramir's front in Osgiliath with Gollum
Also here's one of Treebeard in Isengard (nothing to do with Osgiliath I know, but it's a cool pic )
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 8:24 am |
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So providing the visuals are great it's ok to have a pointless story extension, so lets change from show not tell, to look not think
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Iavas_Saar
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 8:28 am |
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Good points ArPhy.
Kez, that sounds great about the fall of Osgiliath!
eborr, so many reasons have been given for the detour to Osgiliath, it's just unfortunate that a few of you fail to see the merit in these reasons.
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Kezmoid
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 8:43 am |
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So providing the visuals are great it's ok to have a pointless story extension, so lets change from show not tell, to look not think
But eborr, it wasn't a pointless story extension, but an extremely clever one for various reasons:
- It gives the Frodo & Sam storyline a suitable climax (to rival Helm's Deep & the Storming of Isengard) in lieu of Shelob's lair (which had to be moved to film three).
- It shows there is a war on, and a long-fought campaign at that not a one-off battle like Helm's Deep.
- It shows the 'good guys' losing (they win all their other battles in the story). A good way of showing the 'threat' and 'power' of Sauron's armies.
- Introducing the war in Osgiliath in film two provides an immediate link with film three (especially since ROTK is about the war against Sauron).
- Introducing it in film two saves the need for exposition in film three allowing them to plunge straight into the action.
- In the book, once Faramir lets Frodo & Sam go, he sends his company ahead to Osgiliath (and he goes to Minas Tirith to ask for reinforcements). Since Frodo & Sam need to stay under Faramir's captivity for longer then the logical place for them to go is Osgiliath.
- As has been said before, these Osgiliath flashback sequences will add to Faramir, Boromir and Denethor's characters by showing what they fight for and will hint that Gondor has fought this war against Mordor for a long time.
- It 'shows' the audience what Boromir was talking about when he says "Long has my father, the Steward of Gondor, kept the forces of Mordor at bay ...".
- Showing it in TTT makes the moment when Frodo & Sam see the Morgul Host set forth to take Osgiliath (and later lead the siege of MT) in ROTK far better, IMO, as they (and the audience) have previously been to Osgiliath and know what's at stake.
I'm sure there are more but that's all I can think of for now.
Edit:
- It looks 'kewl'!!!111 
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Iavas_Saar
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 8:56 am |
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I'm sure there are more but that's all I can think of for now.
There probably are more Kez, but your list is a very good start. I've been meaning to make a full list justifying Osgiliath for a while, like I did for the warg attack/fake death. If I get round to it, your list has given me extra food for thought.
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Voronwe_the_Faithful
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 9:02 am |
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Kez, good job, but you left out "And it looks kewl!!!11"
Osgiliath is only pointless from the limited point of view of "it wasn't in the book." From the point of view of making good movies, AND from the point of view of successfully adapting Tolkien's themes and plot lines it was a brilliant, brilliant addition.
IMHO, of course.
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The_Angel
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 9:14 am |
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This thread has now "gone to Osgiliath".
*Angel slaps himself*
I swore I'd never use that phrase 
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laureanna
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 9:23 am |
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Kez, I couldn't have said it better myself. I swoon every time I see the Osgiliath scene - it's the best scene in TTT.
But there is one little part of me that is saying "why are all these guys dying for a piece of ruined real estate? They aren't defending people and their homes, they are defending a city that has been dead for some time, but which sits in a location with military strategic value. It's a subtle "war is pointless" remark, to me, anyway.
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Kezmoid
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 9:32 am |
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laureanna,
Osgiliath was where Isildur & Anarion had their thrones, it housed the master-palantir in the Citadel of the Stars and was effectively the capital of Gondor, as well as being strategically important I think the men of Gondor defend it out of pride.
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