Jerry Bruckhiemers King Arthur

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Postby mozza » Sat Oct 18, 2003 1:09 pm

Intresting this, a non-fantasy take on the King arthur tale. These fantastic looking pics (atleast to me): <a href='http://www.empiremovies.com/gallery/king_arthur/king_arthur_pictures_01.shtml' target=_blank>empire movies</a>(there are about a dozen pages)<BR><BR>Keira knightly dressed for war looks strange (but I like), Clive Owen plays good king arthur, form the pictures it seems the vikings are his foes. This is ment to be an 18, or R rating for the us, something around the level of gladiator in violence (and I cant help but feel this is what has inspired the direction of the film). Its all good, the more sword and sandels films there are, the happier I am.<BR><BR>Edited to add, he looks to be wearing roman garb, this film is taking a strange turn.
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Postby ccmsOrlilvr » Sat Oct 18, 2003 2:22 pm

I heard about this. Knightley is playing Guinevere, right?
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Postby mozza » Sat Oct 18, 2003 2:37 pm

Correct, and in full battle gear, wearing next to nothing it seems.
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Postby Leonides* » Sat Oct 18, 2003 3:53 pm

Looks seriously retarded. How is it that a "historical" take on King Arthur has Guinevere running around in a leather breast... strap... thing.<BR><BR>Ridiculous.
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Postby Thorondil » Sat Oct 18, 2003 4:06 pm

I think Keira looks hot! (Never thought I would say anything nerdish like that, but...) If the movie manages to avoid the bombast common in Jerry Bruckheimer productions, I think it will be an interesting take on the Arthur myth. The sets and most of the dress and some of the armour looks pretty authentic (real chainmail!). (That the composite, recurve bow is pretty out of place in the hands of a Pict is probably Hollywood artistic license.) But why, oh why, cannot filmmakers make anything Dark Ageish without resorting to ol' Artie? In the last 20 years or so, we've had "Excalibur", "Sword of the Valiant" (ugh!), "First Knight", "Merlin", "Mists of Avalon", and a few more I've missed. Monty Python knew what they did when they made their "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" (and hopefully prevented Mel Brooks' from another "parody"<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>.
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Postby Donisiliel » Sat Oct 18, 2003 4:12 pm

King Arthur??? It looks more like "The Roman Legions Battle the Picts." But maybe that's what King Arthur is/does. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif"border=0> I really am quite ignorant on the subject. Miss Knightly's comstume looks seriously uncomfortable. (not to mention immodest) <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0>
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Postby Thorondil » Sat Oct 18, 2003 5:24 pm

Keira Knightley is in a Roman-inspired dress, while some unknown babe is crammed into that leather harness. Both are hot! (Now I've gone and said it again!) Immodesty? Never troubled me!<BR><BR>The last Roman regular troops left Britain in 407 AD. It is thought that Arthur, if he existed, was a so-called Romano-Celt (Celts who had adopted Roman ways). It is possible that this people used arms and armour heavily influenced by that of the Romans, even if the <i>Lorica Segmentata</i> (the ubiquitous Roman metal splint armour) had been dropped a couple centuries earlier. Anyway, some scholars think that Arthur lived around the first half of the 6th century (part of what is known as "the Dark Ages" due to the dearth of written records), and that he fought against the Saxon invaders (the Viking-looking guys in the movie pics). Apart from a few oddities in the production pics, it looks far more realstic than, say, "Excalibur".
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Postby Dad-human » Sat Oct 18, 2003 6:30 pm

Thanks for posting the pictures. It looks like the movie could be really good or really bad, kind of hard to tell. But the armor does look good. I read part of a book on the historical King Arthur recently and he seems to have considered himself a Roman, even spoke some Latin.
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Postby Leonides* » Sat Oct 18, 2003 8:22 pm

<i>Keira Knightley is in a Roman-inspired dress, while some unknown babe is crammed into that leather harness. Both are hot! (Now I've gone and said it again!) Immodesty? Never troubled me!</i><BR><BR>Thorondil, that IS Keria... I know her well. Thus, that's SUPPOSED to be the character of Guievere. Looks awful.<BR>
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Postby Lonely_Mountain_Hermit » Sat Oct 18, 2003 8:41 pm

Well it certainly looks like it's going to be a much "different" take on the Arthur myth. Whether or not that is a good thing remains to be seen. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby Thorondil » Sat Oct 18, 2003 8:48 pm

Yikes! Guinevere the Queen and XGuina the Warrior Princess?!? Sounds like "Maid Marion the Ninja" of "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" fame... Could be a warning sign. Still looks hot, tho. To each their own and all that, I suppose.
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Postby robo » Sat Oct 18, 2003 9:04 pm

<i>Well it certainly looks like it's going to be a much "different" take on the Arthur myth. Whether or not that is a good thing remains to be seen.</i><BR><BR>As I recall, Mary Stewart's Arthurian books are done from an historic perspective with little magic.
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Postby Old_Begonia » Sat Oct 18, 2003 9:46 pm

Does Bruckheimer know Arthur lived in England? Does he know what the average temperatures are there? Poor Keira's outfit is laughable. How nice that they were able to approximate the male attire so seemly. Keira's reveals more about the producers than it does of her.
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Postby Leonides* » Sat Oct 18, 2003 10:13 pm

Well I certainly don't blame Keira... although that strap makes her look a bit like an 11 year-old boy since we can't see ANY "feminine curves." <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby TheFlyingButtress » Sat Oct 18, 2003 10:47 pm

The costume designer should be shot. <BR>Keira does not have a lot up top, but having a strap tightened across her chest is not a good example of making good with what you've got.
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Postby Leonides* » Sun Oct 19, 2003 4:56 am

Oh I know she's a bit... erm... slight, Buttress, but she looked absolutely fine in PIRATES. Strapping down your breasts with a leather thong might be popular in some circles but I perfer more... uh... traditional lingerie. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby mozza » Sun Oct 19, 2003 5:16 am

Was she not digitaly enhanced?
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Postby Muccamukk » Sun Oct 19, 2003 9:50 am

Am I the only one here who remember that Clive Owen has the emotional range of a tin can? I can't believe they are using him. For Ms. Knightly and her ridiculus costume and historically inacurate armoury, the casting of Aurther is the biggest disaster.<BR><BR>Too bad, I was sort of hoping they would make a decent version of this some time.
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Postby robo » Sun Oct 19, 2003 12:04 pm

Article here:<BR><BR><a href='http://www.suntimes.com/output/entertainment/sho-sunday-owen19.html' target=_blank>http://www.suntimes.com/output/entertainment/sho-sunday-owen19.html</a>
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Postby Lonely_Mountain_Hermit » Sun Oct 19, 2003 12:10 pm

Wait a second, those were supposed to be pics of Guinevere?! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> Perhaps I can form an opinion of this movie before seeing it.
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Postby FaramirsDaughter » Sun Oct 19, 2003 12:31 pm

Thanks for the article, robo! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> And the pics, mozza! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> <BR><BR>This. Movie. Does. Not. Look. Good.<BR><BR>Why, oh why, can't anyone make a GOOD King Arthur movie???<BR><BR>peace out,<BR>F.D.<BR><BR>
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Postby robo » Sun Oct 19, 2003 12:41 pm

"I play Arthur, who is half-Roman," Owen says. "He's a commander of a crack team of military knights who, at the beginning of the movie, gets the mission from hell -- to go into dangerous, unknown territory and rescue a family as the Saxons are invading by the thousands, and the rebels are out there fighting. Meanwhile, Arthur has always held onto Rome as something he wants to return to and something he reveres, but it keeps changing."
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Postby TheFlyingButtress » Sun Oct 19, 2003 1:29 pm

She looked fantastic on POTC, Leo - that is why I am astounded by these pictures.
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Postby Dartholorin » Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:30 am

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Postby llyr_ap_cenydd » Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:52 pm

I suspect Kiera's clothing (or lack of) is inspired by the fact that the Clets used to go into battle wearing nothing at all except war-paint )woad in this case). I know this becau seI live on Anglesey, North Wales and there are loads of galleries and museums here with all kinds of stuff about the dark ages.<BR><BR>Also, King Arthur (well, the legends of King Arthur) didn't live in England. Because England didn't exist! If you are fighting the Saxon invasion, you're pretty much fighting to stop England and the English from ever existing! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby andurilwest » Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:24 am

So this is supposed to be the historical Arthur... Hmm. Interesting.<BR><BR>So are we going to see Lancelot(us), Gawain(us), etc.? How about Merlin(us)? Is he going to be portrayed as a Druid (like Getafix in Asterix comics), or not at all? And if Arthur's half Roman, shouldn't he be called Arthurus? How about Excalibur? A gladius? The Sword in the Stone? The Lady of the Lake? Uther Pendragon - Utherus? Morgan la Fay? Mordred(us)? Who and what are their historical bases? I'm looking forward to this...<BR><BR>So this is sorta like what Eaters of the Dead and The 13th Warrior was to Beowulf. Sounds promising!
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Postby Lady_Myrrdin » Sat Dec 06, 2003 8:19 am

Hmmm, let's see....3 parts Sparticus, 2 parts Braveheart and a pinch of Xena Warrior Princess.....oh yes, this will be a blockbuster now! Oooh, wait I forgot, I had better throw in a little Titanic for some chemistry........<BR><BR><BR>Once again this makes me wish for a movie of Mary Stewart's books, although there is the risk of someone not doing those justice...
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Postby whitedruid » Sat Dec 06, 2003 10:45 am

Jerry Bruckhiemer's anything...blah. No thanks and I thoroughly enjoyed Once and Future King, MZB's books, and Excalibur. To be fair I did also enjoy Aramageddon but since then, I'd actually watch golf on TV before anything he does. I already know just from the title of this thread that he would botch this to the highest degree so I would never see it. It seems that his trying to do a modern remake of Romeo and Juliet died a nice quick death on FOX, good, good.
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Postby Osguard » Sat Dec 06, 2003 11:05 am

<i>Why, oh why, can't anyone make a GOOD King Arthur movie???</i><BR><BR>I feel your pain, FaramirsDaughter! Such good stuff there with lots of intrigue, characters, and adventures. It is just looking like no movie(s) is ever going to capture that. Blah!<BR><BR>There's plenty of stuff there for a good trilogy, at least! I wonder if it's a passion of PJs?
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Postby Lord_Cie » Sat Dec 06, 2003 11:50 am

I really hated First Knight because it capitalized on this Queen + Lancelot romance. I like the older Arthurian tales, the ones in Welsh about Arthur's army defeating Saxon armies four times as populous <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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