Letter writing campaign and petition to get the Hobbit made

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Postby Hobbitlove » Mon Mar 29, 2004 10:48 pm

Calling all Middle-earthlings worldwide: <BR><BR>Following Peter Jackson's suggestion at TOR.n's party<BR>on Oscar night, I am trying to facilitate the<BR>launching of a letter-writing campaign to New Line and<BR>MGM/United Artists, encouraging them to seek a way to<BR>work out the legal issues surrounding the film and<BR>distribution rights to The Hobbit. I have also<BR>started an online petition for the same purpose.<BR><BR>Here is the text of the petition:<BR><BR>To: New Line Cinema, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc. and<BR>United Artists<BR><BR>We, the undersigned, wish to make clear our strong<BR>desire to see a quality film adaptation of J.R.R.<BR>Tolkien’s The Hobbit. Having spent the last three<BR>years in Middle-earth, under the spell of magician<BR>Peter Jackson and the wizards of Weta Workshop, we<BR>find ourselves only wanting more. The Tale of the<BR>Ring is incomplete without the story of It’s finding<BR>by Bilbo, and the other aspects of his adventure make<BR>for a captivating cinematic journey as well.<BR><BR>Fans know that the film rights reside with New Line,<BR>while distribution is the legal domain of MGM/United<BR>Artists. It would be heartbreaking for the fans to be<BR>denied this film, simply because of this rift in<BR>rights. Surely an agreement can be reached that will<BR>prove mutually advantageous to the studios. The<BR>phenomenol success of The Lord of the Rings trilogy<BR>clearly demonstrates that there is a huge fan base<BR>worldwide, ready to support The Hobbit in like manner<BR>-particularly if it is made by Mr. Jackson and Weta,<BR>who have proven themselves so gifted in the visual<BR>creation of a world which until now only existed on<BR>the printed page, in the art of great talents like<BR>Alan Lee and John Howe, and in the imaginations of<BR>Tolkien readers. <BR><BR>Please work together to eliminate this barrier to the<BR>film’s making and distribution. We, the fans, will<BR>make it worth your while. We are not ready to leave<BR>Middle-earth!<BR><BR>The url for the petition is:<BR><BR>http://www.petitiononline.com/hobfilm/petition.html<BR><BR><BR>The addresses to which fans should also send their<BR>views are:<BR><BR>Robert K. Shaye<BR>New Line Cinema Corporation<BR>888 7th Avenue<BR>New York, NY 10106<BR><BR>Alex Yemenidjian<BR>Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc.<BR>10250 Constellation Blvd.<BR>Los Angeles, CA 90067<BR><BR>Danny Rosett, EVP Marketing and Distribution<BR>United Artists Corporation<BR>10250 Constellation Blvd.<BR>Los Angeles, CA 90067<BR><BR><BR>Please help the fan community worldwide by posting<BR>this information on your site and spreading the word<BR>to your friends. Working together, we can literally<BR>see this project come to fruition.<BR><BR>Thank you.
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Postby Hama » Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:07 am

No! I would much rather they made 'Legally Blonde 3'.<BR><BR>Hama.
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Postby Farawen » Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:15 am

<em>I would much rather they made 'Legally Blonde 3'.</em><BR><BR>How about a crossover?<BR><BR>
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Postby Ash_Nazg_13 » Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:25 am

That is very well written<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby TheLidlessEyes » Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:36 am

Nice try, but the only petition these guys will listen to is one signed by George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Alexander Hamilton, Andrew Jackson, Ulysses Grant, Ben Franklin, William McKinley, Grover Cleveland, James Madison, Salmon P. Chase and Woodrow Wilson.
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Postby Hama » Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:44 am

You forgot Calvin Coolidge! Put together!<BR><BR>Hama.<BR>
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Postby Unwin » Tue Mar 30, 2004 1:29 am

<em>Nice try, but the only petition these guys will listen to is one signed by George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Alexander Hamilton, Andrew Jackson, Ulysses Grant, Ben Franklin, William McKinley, Grover Cleveland, James Madison, Salmon P. Chase and Woodrow Wilson. </em><BR><BR>I agree. However, if enough of us sign the petition then perhaps they can make the mental leap and see $$$ instead of geeks.
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Postby Leonides* » Tue Mar 30, 2004 1:41 am

Boy, this'll sure work! (sarcasm)<BR><BR>I can assure you that both NLC and UA know how much this property is worth. It will take them a while to reach an agreement, but they will eventually. They want the money as badly as you want the films.
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Postby TheLidlessEyes » Tue Mar 30, 2004 1:47 am

Hama,<BR><BR>That particular guy was born on the Fourth Of July. I just can't bring myself to mention his name. That's why I found <a href='http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0919815/' target=_blank>this</a> guy's infamous "The British are coming" Oscar acceptance speech so funny.<BR><BR>Americans seem to have <a href='http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0570485/' target=_blank>strange names</a> when born on that day.<BR><BR>Mind you, seeing how uncontrollable that country is at the moment, I think it was a good idea not to fight too hard to keep it. More trouble than it's worth, really...<BR><BR>
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Postby holbytla » Tue Mar 30, 2004 2:37 am

Grover Cleveland?
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Postby TheLidlessEyes » Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:17 am

$1 - George Washington<BR>$2 - Thomas Jefferson<BR>$5 - Abraham Lincoln<BR>$10 - Alexander Hamilton<BR>$20 - Andrew Jackson<BR>$50 - Ulysses Grant<BR>$100 - Ben Franklin<BR>$500 - William McKinley<BR>$1,000 - Grover Cleveland<BR>$5,000 - James Madison<BR>$10,000 - Salmon P. Chase<BR>$100,000 - Woodrow Wilson<BR><BR><a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_bills' target=_blank>Here</a>
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Postby Primula_Baggins » Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:48 am

It's never struck me as right that a Salmon P. Chase is worth 100 Ben Franklins.<BR><BR><a href='http://www.tulane.edu/~latner/Chase.html' target=_blank>Not that there's anything wrong with the guy.</a>
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Postby Hobbitlove » Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:12 am

What a bunch of cynics you people are. Do what you want with this information. I for one will be signing the petition and sending letters. The phrase "it couldn't hurt and it might just help" comes to mind. <BR><BR>
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Postby IAmLegolas » Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:22 am

I basically was going to write what Leonides* said, but a lot more long winded.<BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby holbytla » Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:46 pm

<em>$1,000 - Grover Cleveland</em><BR>Well I should have remembered that, but I <strong>am</strong> a dope. Not that I have seen a thousand dollar bill mind you. I guess I just can't believe they would print a picture of a president on a thousand dollar bill, who will always be remembered for being honest.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0><BR><BR>P.S.<BR>I want to start a petition to prevent any more threads being started that contain the word "Hobbit" in the title.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0>
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Postby evenstar1 » Thu Apr 01, 2004 7:20 pm

Sounds good to me. I am in@!
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Postby Unwin » Thu Apr 01, 2004 8:46 pm

Only 1897 signatures!<BR><BR>This could very well backfire if there are so few.
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Postby elfshadow » Thu Apr 01, 2004 9:36 pm

I didn't think they made bills over $100 anymore....but I get the idea <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>!<BR><BR>But as for the petition, the producers will probably make up their mind, whether deciding to do or not to do The Hobbit, regardless of what fans say. They know the potential box office earnings better than any of us....like Leonides* said <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>.
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Postby Marty » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:17 pm

True, I doubt they're on the fence on this one.
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Postby tinderbox » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:41 pm

You want to make an impact, write and *post* a personalised letter to the people in question; online petitions are useless self-indulgent interweb floss.<BR><BR>In fact, optimally, you'd target carbon copies to several people to give you maximum opportunity to actually get through - head of marketing, head of legal, CEO, etc. And by doing that, you could try and instigate some inter- and intra-company discussion about the issue.<BR><BR>It's a long shot, but all cold marketing is a long shot. But you'll have much greater chance of making a real impact than by signing an online petition.<BR><BR>tinderbox
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Postby Marty » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:44 pm

Even still, what's the point? NLC will greenlight that project the moment the rights are ironed out. They don't need convincing. They have nearly three billion reasons already.
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Postby tinderbox » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:51 pm

Actually, Marty, I'm not at all convinced the storyline is strong enough to deserve a film. Or that it will succeed if it is made - whether by Jackson or by someone else. <BR><BR>But my point is that I think anyone who believes internet petitions work has rocks in their head.<BR><BR>tinderbox
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Postby Marty » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:53 pm

I said nothing about the potential quality of such a film, just that NLC needs no prodding from us.
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Postby tinderbox » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:58 pm

It might add to the sense of urgency though. 'The market is hot, we have to hit it now.' The lawyers might haggle for years, otherwise. And that's the only real benefit I can envisage from a letter-writing campaign.<BR><BR>(that and the fact that I detest direct marketing that's done in a half-arsed manner).<BR><BR>tinderbox
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Postby elfshadow » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:05 pm

Seeing as how the Trilogy was already produced and succeeded admirably, I doubt there will be much trouble with lawyers as far as The Hobbit is concerned.<BR><BR>And the producers no doubt know the urgency from many fans, I'm sure they're doing all they can behind the scenes to get The Hobbit made into a film.<BR><BR>As far as the storyline of The Hobbit, I don't think it will (or should) be made into the super-special-effects-oriented, mega-motion-picture that LOTR was. The Hobbit has a simple storyline, and therefore should make a relatively simple movie.
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Postby tinderbox » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:11 pm

<em>Seeing as how the Trilogy was already produced and succeeded admirably, I doubt there will be much trouble with lawyers as far as The Hobbit is concerned.</em><BR><BR>Where's there's money involved, there's always trouble when you get lawyers into the ring with you ...<BR><BR><em>And the producers no doubt know the urgency from many fans, I'm sure they're doing all they can behind the scenes to get The Hobbit made into a film.</em><BR><BR>Even with all the goodwill in the world, each organisation will still want to maximise its slice of the pie.<BR><BR><em>As far as the storyline of The Hobbit, I don't think it will (or should) be made into the super-special-effects-oriented, mega-motion-picture that LOTR was. The Hobbit has a simple storyline, and therefore should make a relatively simple movie.</em><BR><BR>Thirteen dwarves, a middle-aged hobbit and a wizard. And it'll succeed because beards and midgets are the hot, new thing with cosmo?<BR><BR>tinderbox
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Postby evenstar1 » Sat Apr 03, 2004 2:05 pm

<strong>They must make The HOBBIT!</strong><BR>please!<BR><strong>They must make The HOBBIT!</strong><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><strong>They must make The HOBBIT!</strong><BR>PLEASE!<BR><strong>They must make The HOBBIT!</strong><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><strong>They must make The HOBBIT!</strong>
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Postby Mighty_Squid » Sat Apr 03, 2004 2:26 pm

<em>Thirteen dwarves, a middle-aged hobbit and a wizard. And it'll succeed because beards and midgets are the hot, new thing with cosmo?</em><BR><BR>Are you saying Dwarves aren't hot?<BR><BR><BR>
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Postby tinderbox » Sat Apr 03, 2004 3:04 pm

You win a cookie, Squid.<BR><BR>tinderbox
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Postby Mighty_Squid » Sat Apr 03, 2004 3:30 pm

*<a href='http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=48&threadid=66784' target=_blank>pout</a>*<BR><BR>
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