META Movie Forum - superceded

What do you think of Tolkien on the silver screen...? Whether Bakshi, Jackson, Amazon, BBC radio play, or whoever else, come on in and discuss your reflections, opinions, and memories...

META Movie Forum - superceded

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1. Announcements:

THANK YOU! to all who have helped make this possible, including Sador_Labadel, Voronwe_the_Faithful, Kezmoid, holbytla, Texas-hobbit, Blackwood, crispycreme, Nár, Ethel, Mithrin_walker, Farawen, TheLidlessEyes, Scarlet, Mighty_Squid, Wilco185, halplm and truehobbit.

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TORN helped too, but don't tell anyone.

Note: If you don't want to look for new threads, you are welcome to review some of the threads listed here, and post a one line description of each one. I'll add it into the appropriate place.

December 3, 2004 Update Still plugging away - pease drop off more threads! Post your new items in new posts, rather than editing an old post.

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Postby PosterChild » Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:21 am

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INDEX

Here are some suggested topics. Some of these have been touched on already in the posts below, so take a look at them before you choose a subject.

General themes related to character portrayal:

Actor/Actress selection
Appearance including age, hair, ears, skin color, size, wings
Armour, Weapons, Military strategy see below
Character arc
Change of character from book to movie - see below
Costumes and clothing
Development in movie see below
Fading
Favorite characters
Languages used in Movie
Racism and classism
Relationships between characters
Ring effects
Sailing west
Substitution of characters and lines
Telepathy

The characters and important objects, including no-shows: -Well filled out due to a stupendous effort by Kezmoid. WOW - thanks Kez!. If anyone else has a favorite thread about a character, or about a person/monster/thing of ME that isn't in here, drop me a post and I'll add it.

Dwarves
Elves
Ents
Hobbits and their ilk
Maiar and Valar
Men
Misc. Peoples, Monsters, Animals, and Things of ME


Imagery and adaptation of the book to the movie:

{These topics will probably be consolidated into a smaller number, because of overlap.}

Allegory
Artwork and artists – Alan Lee, John Howe
Bakshi, Rankin/Bass, and others as compared with PJ
Battles – staging, use of Massive, strategy
Beowulf and Anglo Saxon imagery
Boyens, Philippa
Camera angle and location
Canon – book canon and movie canon
Catholic/Christian imagery
CGI and motion capture
Cinematography in general
Color usage, color grading
Continuity and plot holes
Detail
Digital effects
Directing – critique of PJ
Directing – comparison with other directors
Editing
Editions – Extended vs Theatre
Endings, including false and multiple
Favorite scenes
Favorite lines
Flames and Fire usage
Foreshadowing
Genre
Humor
Influences on PJ
Influences on JRRT (that appear in movie)
Jackson, Peter
Lighting
Lines – from the book, or added
Lyrics
Magic – portrayal of
Makeup
Maps
Miniatures
Modernisms – use of
Morality and philosophy - see below
Music - see below
Mythology
New Zealand
Poetry
Production cost details
Pronunciation
Purist/Revisionist debate and permutations - see below
Rankin/Bass as compared to PJ
Reversals
Romanticism
Shakespearean imagery
Sound effects
Speculation – LOTR movies -
Speculation - The Hobbit - see below
Speculations - The Sil - see below
Subcreation by JRRT, PJ, and the viewer
Subtitles and translations of movie
Technology - portrayal in the movie
Technology – needed to make movie
Themes of hope, fate, free will and predestination
Themes of mortality, death, and loss
Themes of deity and afterlife
Timing
Titles – at end of movie
Tolkien, JRR – his thoughts on adaptations
Tolkien, other – and their relationships to the movie
Transcripts and translations – movies
Transcripts and translations - lyrics
Violence
Walsh, Fran

Discussion of specific scenes, including no-shows:

Barrow Downs
Bree
Cirith Ungol and Morgul Vale
Dead Marshes
Dunharrow
Edoras
Fangorn
Ford, Arwen at the
Gondor
Grey Havens
Helms Deep (with or without Arwen)
Lighting the Beacons
Lothlorien
Mordor
Moria
Paths of the Dead
Pellinor
Orthanc
Osgilliath
Rivendell
Scouring of the Shire
Screen caps
Shire – at start of movie
Shire – at end of movie
Weathertop
Weddings

Trailers – in depth analyses of each scene/phrase see below
DVD/Video extra content - see below
Box Office Sales - see below
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Postby PosterChild » Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:25 am

3.

META META Movies:

There is a disorganized post full of META META threads below. It is a collection of threads contributed through the previous version of META Movies. It is a good start, but there are plenty of other threads out there awaiting inclusion.

Threads about M00bies - the netizens of the TORC Movie forum:

Abbreviations and acronyms - pending
Awards – for the m00bs – Torcies, etc.
Biographies of m00bs see below
Content-free threads
Culture in the Movie Forum see below
Nitpicking
Noobs – introductions, traps, bashing, advising see below
Monthly theme see below
M00b hangouts outside of the Movie Forum
Reviews – by TORCers see below
Sailing into the West
Trivia game threads
Viewing experiences see below

Threads about others reacting to the movies

Awards – for the movies Golden Globe, Oscar, MTV, etc. see below
Books about the movies
Commentaries on DVDs
Review – by others, and reviews of the reviewers see below
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Postby PosterChild » Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:28 am

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And, in a class by itself:

Parody – pre movie speculation, alternate movie scripts, interviews

Any sorting suggestions would be welcome

Freaqboy: Project W.I.N.K.L.E. Lives!
krosshair: Reviews from the future fictional LOTR movie reviews by members of TORC back in 2000
PCarolino (Hama): Mongolian Throat Singing
Elmtree: An old parody thread, bumped! (various "movie" parodies, plus a few LOTR chicken jokes...)
Whistler: Whistler's return: Interview with Tolkien, part 1
Whistler: Whistler's interview with Tolkien, part 2
Whistler: Whistler's Golden Oldies
Hama: LotR Opera and other silly writings
Hama: Xenarwen hornblower
Hama: From the mouths of sardines
ukhem (Hama): Peter Jackson is goat's poop
Hama: Middle Earth? Who gives a damn! (Part 1)
ElvenArcher: Son of W.I.N.K.L.E.!!!!!
Whistler: Interview with Tiger Woods
Whistler: The Filmarillion - Reposted
Nilson_the_White: Lord of the carrots
ElfStar: Due to popular demand: The Official "Lord of the Pants" thread and other such assorted parodies.
Vega: Tolkien/Forum parodies of most famous songs. Contributions Welcome!
Theduffster: Time to merge Tolkien and Monty Python? I think so!
TheLidlessEyes: Movie Quotes That, Thank God, They Didn't Use - Now Complete
TheLidlessEyes: Movie Quotes That, Thank God, They Didn't Use - Top 200
Denethor: Why did the chicken cross the road? (this time applied to TORC posters...)
Whistler: My Interview With a Block of Wood (required reading, because I say so)
TheLidlessEyes: All 122 FOTR mistakes explained - updated
Texas-hobbit: Arsenic and Old Lembas/Hobbits of the Corn
TheLidlessEyes: Movie *TITLES* That, Thank God, They Didn't Use
Texas-hobbit: Seinfeld version of FotR Soup Nazi=Sauron? Elaine=Arwen? A Junior Mint in Frodo's wound? Get OUT!
TheLidlessEyes: Sub-texts!!! Now Updated For ROTK
TheLidlessEyes: Extended version of the TTT trailer!!!
TheLidlessEyes: ...but first here's Jill with the weather
TheLidlessEyes: [bad link]FOTR Prologue - P/R Style [/url]
TheLidlessEyes: All TTT's 111 mistakes explained
TheLidlessEyes: If PJ filmed Genesis
TheLidlessEyes: Induction Test For Newbies
Moria: Hm...
TheLidlessEyes: Hurry! Hurry! Hurry!
TheLidlessEyes: Living With Peter Jackson
TheLidlessEyes: Questions. Questions That Need Answering
TheLidlessEyes: Strange dream last night...
TheLidlessEyes: If other directors made ROTK...
TheLidlessEyes: One World
TheLidlessEyes: The Secret Meeting
TheLidlessEyes: 10,000 Movie Forum Observations
Angbasdil: Lord of the Round Table - a parody
TheLidlessEyes: The Movie Forum Bulwer-Lytton Competition
TheLidlessEyes: [bad link]The Silmarillion - P/R Style[/url]
Texas-hobbit: Keebler vs Mirkwood Elves-parody
TheLidlessEyes: New Restrictions on Post-count Celebration Threads
TheLidlessEyes: Jonathan's Phone Call From PJ
Whistler: The Filmarillion, Concluded
Braganil: ROTP - Return of the Pants!
Whistler: From the First Age: My Interview With Peter Jackson
Whistler: From the First Age: Green Eggs and Lembas
Whistler: From the First Age: Whistler Interviews the One, Part One
Whistler: From the First Age: Whistler Interviews the One, Part Two
TheLidlessEyes: This Board...(2)
TheLidlessEyes: A Cold Mountain in Middle Earth
Texas-hobbit: Dialogue that didn't make the cut-RotK What did the characters REALLY want to say?
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Globes, Oscars and MTV Awards

Monkeyman22: Oscar potential for FotR February 2001 speculation. Contains major old-style TORC Purist-Revisionist stoush.
Radagast-the-Ruddy: Two Towers Oscar Buzz
droolie: Oscar Night discussion dump: Post winners here 2003 Oscar night thread.
droolie: Screw the Globes it's OSCAR NOMINATION TIME!!! Fast-moving 2004 Globes Ceremony and Oscar nominations chat thread.
Radagast-the-Ruddy: ROTK Oscar Buzz I
Radagast-the-Ruddy: ROTK Oscar Buzz II
Radagast-the-Ruddy: ROTK Oscar Buzz III

Anybody have any threads on the MTV awards?
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Postby PosterChild » Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:25 pm

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LOTR Music

Serious thoughts about the LotR score Leonides*: Covers quite a few topics including music on other movies, and includes a discussion of Lux Aeterna, the music used in TTT trailer.
Howard Shore as a composer OneTolkien: Pre LOTR movie release speculation thread
May It Be - Enya Naini_Eryatermarilya: discussion of Enya and song, lists lyrics.
Songs that remind you of LOTR Merry_Brandybuck: Various pop songs with applicable lyrics to LOTR
Howard Shore to Perform LOTR Score at Hollywood Bowl DavidM: A description of the event.
Instances of Shore's great music put to disadvantageous' effect in FOTR FrodotheWise: Critical thread
"The Two Towers" score update!! Song titles released!! Rumors quelled! spd: Rabid pre-TTT speculation
Gollum's Song? robo: In depth discussion, including comparison to Bond songs.
Disappointed in the lack of Song laydownloud: Should movies have had more of Tolkien's songs?
"The Passing Of The Elves" music Hirgon: Taken from the FOTR-EE DVD
And the Grammy goes to ...EAL: How much of the music is original, and can Howard Shore win awards for TTT or ROTK?
Shore up something new Howard Gandalf's Mother: Complaints about the Fellowship theme
Gollum's Song Letora: Everyone loved/hated it.
Once More, With Music Whistler: Speculations on a musical or operatic LOTR production
Annie Lennox sings for the King Mewlip: mostly pre-ROTK discussion of Lennox.
Eowyn's Funeral Song northpolarbeorn: Pre-ROTK speculation, two different sets of lyrics.
Was Shore the best available choice as composer? Danielos: Comparison with other movie composers
Howard Shore Rocks! RoTK Soundtrack ? ROQZXORX! AlphaHelix: fandom thread
"Into the West" Lyrics TragicNiniel: mixed reviews
Howard Shore interview over at Soundtrack.net Uber-Monkey
review of Shore's ROTK score FoxWondering: Discussion of reviews by FilmScoreMonthly.com and AllMusic.com
Eowyn's song? Braganil: Includes origin of lyrics.
ROTK soundtrack AuroraWillow: First impressions
Howard Shore Symphony Concert Gurgi: Description of event
PJ as Eisenstein: ROTK, Visual/Aural Juxtaposition, and the Sublime Telemachos: Wide ranging and excellent thread, with quite a few posts on the music
Pippin's Song Unwin: where the lyrics came from, reviews.
Aragorn's Singing HELMHAMMERHAND: Mixed reviews.
The Singing Radagast-the-Ruddy: Comparisons between the singers in LOTR.
Themes in Howard Shore's soundtracks Nár: Good listing of themes vs scenes in first post.
A sad but beautiful story associated with these films... Democritus: The lyrics of "Into the West" based on Fran's personal loss.
the music that makes you cry? enyafreak: Swooning for the music.
It's released - ROTK Soundtrack Opinions garyttu: first impressions and analyses

A Discussion with Howard Shore - UPDATED with Transcript And MP3 Download Interview by Jonathan and others
Search results: Howard AND Shore, about 100 News Articles

Some good links outside of TORC:
Belladona Took’s Trailer Music Page Music and text of LOTR trailers.
Fellowship of the Word-smiths (Elvish.org) Lyrics to all the LOTR movie music
HowardShore.com Fan site
LOTRSoundtrack.com Where to buy the CDs
MovieMusic.com – TTT cue by cue analysis From a message board
imdb: Howard Shore International Movie Data Base
Stanton’s Sheet Music LOTR sheet music
The Official Enya Website
LOTR Sheet Music More LOTR Sheet Music
New Yorker Article on Shore 10-13-03 Interview with Shore
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Postby PosterChild » Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:38 pm

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Unsorted stuff - I'll get to it when I'm not out of sorts

From may 15 to june 28 2003

http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewfor ... start=3650 to 4000

LotR IS TOO a Literary Masterpiece m00bs get b00kish.

Have the movies enhanced or tainted your Tolkien experience?

Under review:
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=60612
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=65895
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=66016
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=66019
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=66529
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=66727
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=66803
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=66823
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=66920
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=66997
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67003
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67008
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67016
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67123
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67130
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67153
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67190
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67201
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67284
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67346
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67347
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67356
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67372
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67382
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67493
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67504
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67565
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67596
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67619
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67740
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=67861
http://forums.tolkienonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=68034
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General Movie Reviews by TORCers:

FOTR

TTT

ArPharazon: TTT - An Interim Analysis

ROTK

TheLidlessEyes: Letters from Berlin Review of European premiere of ROTK and post movie party
Semprini: A brief and negative review of ROTK

Multiple Films

TORN: m00bies watches the movies

Moobs review the Books

TeremiaM00bies reads the b00ks
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Drooling and Speculating about Upcoming Movies, DVD and Video

Mostly based on glimpses from trailers, and from various rumor sources.

Saranthir: Opinions on the first trailer Discussion of the very first internet trailer.
Eradan1: FOTR trailer is out! May 2001 FOTR trailer.
Leonides*: Seeing the FotR trailer in the theater May 2001 FOTR Trailer
Saranthir: The new trailer: a few issues More discussion of the May 2001 Trailer
The Official Discussion Thread for THE TWO TOWERS Trailer Inaccessible at this time.
Nilson_The_White: Two Towers Trailer - Reviews & Thoughts
EuroGollum: Full FOTR:SE DVD specs released (wow)
Saranthir: The SSE DVD edition? Speculation on a super-special edition
horge: The Fellowship of the Frogs & the Special Edition DVD A P-R stoush following the FOTR:SE release.
Leonides*: RotK Trailer?
Semuta: There will be no "Super-Ultimate-Collector's Edition" of LOTR on dvd?
Kezmoid: ROTK & TTT extended edition information, so far
meteor_phoenix: First ROTK trailer online! The first leaked trailer footage of ROTK.
Voronwe_the_Faithful: Ethics and Unauthorized Spoilers discussing sneak preview clips and rips of ROTK
jsavfusco: ROTK Trailer Reviews:Spoilers
Jonathan: Jonathan's Review of TTT Extended Edition
Marty: Marty’s spoiler filled ROTK Q&A thread
Ilfrith: What we know about ROTKEE so far
Tolkienpurist: ROTK bootlegs - the ethics
Goshard:What we know about the ROTKEE so far – second thread
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Discussions about Adapting the Book to the Movie:

P/R Debates - Earnest


finarfin: Introducing Pragmatism
Jessica*Evenstar: What is the essence of the pursit position?
LunaCity: Purist fanaticism makes me dislike the book!
berhael: The Purist/Revisionist/Pragmatist ID thread
Lagniappe: Why I am not a purist.
Shagrat: Too much "purism" from the film-makers - a bad thing? A P/R thread worth mentioning for its refreshingly original approach
Muccamukk: Define: Purist, Revisionist, Pragmatist Definition is everything
Elmtree: Elbren's article on the Front page- The Schism (Purist/Revisionist Revisited)
Kushana: It Has Nothing to do with the Films: the Kernel of the Purist vs Revisionist Debate
Semprini: : Revisionists as the new Purists Are the movie lovers the true purists on this board?
jsavfusco: The Great Purist- Revisionist Debate Finally Laid to Rest. What would happen if you gave USD $300,000,000 to our most ardent purists to make a movie?
Domhnall: Diminishment
Steerpike: Philippa Boyens Is A Purist!
Mithfânion: Transgressions against Tolkien Review of ROTK which turns into a P/R debate
Amphiaraus: The Problem of Realism: the Crux of P/R?
ngaur: The Purist Manifesto. A parody drifting off into a debate
Mithfânion: Level-headed review of RoTK (or the drop that spills...)
Kezmoid: "Spectacular it may be, but LOTR lacks lasting value"
halplm:What PJ's LOTR has taught me. A genuine attempt at expressing the Purist point of view (although it comes later in the thread).

[Note, unfortunately the thread that reputedly had the best debate was one called "A Purist's Perspective" and apparently was archived out of reality]

P/R Debates - Flippant

Hama: Revisionists are Scum!
Hama: Are Purists Scum? Are Purists Like Orcs?
Hama: Are Pragmatists Like Biscuits? Are Pragmatists really that Boring?
Telemachos: Hear the cry of a Revisionist! (Or a Purist, for that matter)
Farawen: I am ... I am your inner purist, revisionist, n00b, etc.
halplm: No Purist should stand for this

Filmmaking and Adaptations in General

yovargas: Can the Movies be Good without Being Completely Faithful?
SauronsBarber: Arwen, Elves Fading and Orc Pods: Necessary changes? Pre-FOTR
Mithfânion: Faithful Adaptation and Successful Movie - Mutually Exclusive?
akallabeth: Tyranny of the Text a 2001 thread on adapting LOTR from book to movie.
Windfola: Changes As Guardians of the Themes and Characters
Iavas_Saar: The New Popularity of the Changes Survey
Dr. Strangelove: Why the film “The Fellowship Of The Ring” isn’t an absolute great
DrStrangelove: In defence of "character arcs"
Shagrat(): The Kurosawa comparison
Voronwe_the_Faithful: PJ and Co's Creative Approach Is Consistent with JRRT's
ArPharazon: My analysis of PJ’s films
davidw: Scriptwriters/ScreenPlay Challenge
Voronwe_the_Faithful: Characters Doing the Opposite in the Movie from the Book
Voronwe_the_Faithful: Silmarillion influences on the LOTR movies
Voronwe_the_Faithful: The 'Children' of PJ: Great Evil but also Great and Glorious
jealski: Who was responsible for the screenplay? includes the cockney orcs debate
Voronwe_the_Faithful: Once Over Lightly: In Defense of Film Aragorn
Voronwe_the_Faithful: Thank Eru!!!!!!!
Voronwe_the_Faithful: A Nod to HoME
Voronwe_the_Faithful: "He's much more conscious of what's happening to him in Return of the King"
Voronwe_the_Faithful: VERY interesting quote from PJ re: Influence of Purist Discontent with TTT
Voronwe_the_Faithful: The Development of Gollum
ArPharazon: Is LOTR melodrama?
greatsantini: Reversal
Voronwe_the_Faithful:How Faithful Were the Films
Sador_Labadal: The Best Scene in the Films (AND THE WINNER IS...)
thelidlesseyes: The Eternal Conflict in Middle-earth: from Literature to Film
APharazon: Tolkien: A myth in his own right?
Beleg: PJ Shouts – So who doesn’t??
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Postby PosterChild » Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:12 pm

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META META Movies, first rough draft, more to come

Concerning the denizens of the Movie Forum.

Barracuda: LOTR: sword and sorcery Hobbithead? S&Ser? Ringer Lactate? What do you call yourself?
Xhen: Biographies of Movie Forum members or maybe they aren't.
Telemachos: If TORC got made into a movie, who would play all of us?
Iavas_Saar: The Book vs. Movie Survey (FOTR only, not TTT!)
(OT) How did you come to TORC, and what prompted your first post?
Denethor: A collection of TORC's 'geekiest' posts (meant in a good-humoured way)
Jediguy: Learn me some Movie Forum history!
Voronwe_the_Faithful: A[n updated] New Poll: How many times have you read Tolkien's books and how did you like the movies?
Voronwe_the_Faithful: Why do people who don't like the movies go to see them multiple times?
Voronwe_the_Faithful: Poll (Again): Familiarity With Tolkien's Work
Berhael: The Movies Forum Induction Thread - a home for n00bs! m00bies attempts to be friendly to n00bs.
Saroneuroe: The Great TORC movie forum Scavenger Hunt
TheLidlessEyes: TORCies 2003 a spoof on the Academy Awards, honoring (?) frequent posters of the TORC Movie Forum
Kestrel: "Rude, cliquey and off topic" -- a discussion about this forum The thread that lead to "We are Really Cute and Cuddly Month".
LadyCoralie: Are We Really Odd in This Forum? Yes
thedaimonlucifer: Generational Differences in Response to PJ's LOTR How does the poster's age affect his viewing of the LOTR?
Angbasdil: m00bies for n00bies: unofficial guidelines. Tips for new members, cautions about the movie forum, what makes a midbie, plus lots of spam after the first few pages.
Voronwe_the_Faithful: Poster Purist Poll
Voronwe_the_Faithful: POLL:Which is Worse?
Voronwe_the_Faithful: I Love the mOObies Forum (Is it the chocolate, or is it the beer?) This rather convoluted thread went through several name changes as movie forum members waxed introspective.
DaMusikMan: M00bie N00bie Test Are you a pre-n00bie, n00bie, midbie, or oldbie? That depends on what you know about others in this forum.
Chemnik: TORC is tough for newbees! Some surprisingly cordial advice from oldbies to a newbie.
TheLidlessEyes: If TORC got made into a movie, who would play all of us?(part 2)
Farawen: Being a n00bie in the Movies Forum
Mighty_Squid: Movie Forum Poster Rankings
Mighty_Squid: TORCies m00bies Campaigning HQ!!!!!!111
Voronwe_the_Faithful: What's In a Name (who are the mOObies)?
Portia: I am sure this has been done before, but I'd be interested in knowing where our posters are from
Mighty_Squid: Movie Forum Cliche Questions - or da FAQ
Voronwe_the_Faithful: What Can We ALL Agree On?
semuta: Where did the LOTR movie adventure begin for you?A heartwarming look at the m00bies' journeys to and in Middle-earth.
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Box Office

lotrlover: Worried about the movie's box office take Early worries, October 2000
buffy: Box Office Predictions for FOTR April to July 2001
Draracle: FOTR Box office buzz Early discussion of effect of LOTR financial success.
AlphaHelix: LOTR at the box office Pre-FOTR speculation
Marty: FOTR Box Office, Rental and Sales
jsavfusco: TTT Box Office Speculation
Marty: TTT Box Office Rental and Sales
Marty: TTT Box Office Continued A short continuation, most discussion shifted to ROTK speculation thread after the TTT thread was locked.
Iavas_Saar: Official word on why TTT made more than FOTR Effect of FOTR DVD on TTT Box office
jsavfusco: ROTK Box Office Speculation
Marty: ROTK Box Office
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Movie Forum Monthly Themes

Myst's Sig Pic Central
Ethel: September (2002) is Be Kind to Celeborn Month
Mammo: Welcome to Men of Middle Earth! (October 2002)
November 2002, December 2002, or January 2003?
Tookish_Traveler: February (2003) is Green Eggs and Hama Month
thedaimonlucifer:March (2003) is "No One Mentions Faramir Under Pain of Death Month
April 2003?
Ethel: A theme for May (2003) -- the art of Middle-earth
theduffster: The Movies Forum: We Really are Cute and Cuddly!(June 2003)
Sylthian: (July 2003 is)Wildest AND Worst EVER LOTR Rumors
TreeMos: August (2003) is Mass Marketing and Merchandizing Month!
fisssh: September (2003) is Movie Crossover Month!
Tookish_Traveler: MOME is almost here!! Mere hours/minutes/seconds away!!!! (preview to October 2003 thread)
Mammo: (October 2003 is) Welcome Back! Talented Men of Middle Earth !!!
laureanna: November (2003) is What to do while waiting for ROTK Month!
December 2003?
Mighty_Squid: January (2004) is "Sail into the West" Month
Saradoc:Valentine theme month: A Heart-y cheer for February (2004)
Tookish_Traveler: March Madness!!!! What if _______ had filmed LOTR?? Myst has some sig pics on file
Feline: April (2004) is the Middle-earth Encyclopedia Month!(started out as Test the Boundaries of TOS Month)
Farawen: It's May (2004)! It's Cute and Cuddly Month, Volume II!!1
Edhelwen: (June 2004 is) Ed's Evil Minion Month
Mummpizz(July 2004 is) Summer self-help course: Embrace your Inner Swooner
Holbytla: August (2004) Is Beach Party Month
Primula_Baggins: September 2004 is a variety of things month Starts out as Pre-LOTR Characters and eventually settles down to Geek Month
Tookish_Traveler: MOME Pageant 2004: Preview thread
Ethel: Third Annual Men of Middle-earth Pageant
Ethel: MOME 2004 OOC
Griffon64: November (2004) - Geek 2: The Fellowship of the Geeks
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Seriously derailed threads, that make futile attempts to stay on topic, or at least vaguely related to LOTR

thedaimonlucifer: The "Memento" thread
tolkienpurist: LOTR makes its debut in the horror genre? lol Derailed all the way to Tom's House.
elvenchild: Christopher Lee
Simon_Cowell: Why couldn’t the get Dracula for Return of the King?
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Elves of LOTR:

General threads about Elves


Wildwood: Boromir holding the Ring and Elves fading Pre-FOTR
Frode: Samurai Elves with Katanas Pre-FOTR outrage
Frode: Elves at Helm’s Deep Pre-FOTR outrage
richitis: Theory about the Elves at Helm’s Deep Pre-FOTR
Aerin: Blonde Elves
ElfStar: Does PJ *get* Men in a way he doesn’t *get* Elves?
Mithfânion: What of the Elves? Post-TTT
Memento: How many Elves came to Helm’s Deep?
Evenstar-of-Rivendell: Disappearing Elves & more things I can’t find the answer to around here! Post-TTT
greatsantini: The problems with Elves at Helm’s Deep Post-TTT
Shagrat(): Ooh, those awful Elves!
Iavas Saar: Elves at Helm’s Deep – Better than Tolkien? Post-TTT
AriadneNaxos: For Iavas Saar and all other Elf/Arwen lovers

Arwen (and the Evenstar Jewel)

x+2y-5=3: Is Arwen PC? Pre-FOTR
I Am Not A Gun: Is PJ adding elements of Beren and Luthien to Aragorn and Arwen’s story Pre-FOTR discussion
Xhen: Arwen: Warrior Princess? Sword or Bow? Pre-FOTR
Buffy: Arwen and Girl Power Pre-FOTR
Gandalf’sMother: A new defense of Arwen’s expansion Pre-FOTR
Saranthir: The Arwen effect!!
Iavas Saar: A new thought on Arwen at the Ford
Angbasdil: Okay, this thread is now officially about Arwen.
Bard-of-Laketown: Arwen and Aragorn = No Chemistry
Mithfânion: Of Arwen and what we were spared.
Mithfânion: Why is Arwen so extraordinarily radiant?
noledge: Arwen’s ‘flash-forward’ to Aragorn’s death…
Diamond of Long Cleeve: Who thinks that Liv has become more like Tolkien’s Arwen Post-TTT
Nashalier: Is Arwen needed in TTT? Post-TTT
PericlesOfAthens: In Defense of Arwen (Tyler) Post-TTT
roaccarcsson: The case for Arwen-expansion Post-TTT
idril celebrimbal: RotK: Conversation between Frodo and Arwen? Pre-ROTK
Iavas Saar: The Evenstar – parallels with the Ring?
Cerin: ”Why are you saying this?” Discussion of Aragorn’s decision to break up with Arwen
TheLidlessEyes: Arwen The Barometer? Pre-ROTK
roaccarcsson: Thinking about Arwen’s vision Post-ROTK
Amphiaraus: The Centrality of Arwen
Leonides*: Ahhh… A connection between Arwen and Gilraen Post-ROTK
Amphiaraus: Arwen’s Life etc. --SOLVED Post-ROTK
Lady of the Golden Wood: Arwen and Aragorn’s Son

Elrond

Thorondir: Elrond, a hypocrite?
alocksley: Elrond thinks the human race is weak. Why?
Arion: Elrond & Galadriel -- A Psychic Connection?
Lord Baltimore: (Jackson’s) Elrond is a liar
greatsantini: Inconsistent Elrond, AKA, which character changes make the most and least sense
Radagast-the-Ruddy: Elrond: Wise Elf, or Grumpy Goon?
IrishElf*: Not just Isildur failed-Elrond did too Discussion of Sammath Naur event in FOTR

Galadriel

Wildwood: Cate Blanchett: “We toyed with idea of Galadriel trying to take Ring Pre-FOTR
Hama: Galadriel’s “smallest person” line: Cheesy? Pre-FOTR
Nevtûrwen: For those who hated Galadriel turning radioactive…
Javamax: Galadriel Was FOTR Galadriel too sinister?
Eleventy1-Tipsy-Hobbits: PJ “Wraithed Galadriel” Discussion of Galadriel’s temptation
Arion: Elrond & Galadriel -- A Psychic Connection?
JewelSong: Okay, now THIS needs its own thread – Why I have no problems with Galadriel! Post-TTT discussion on Galadriel's monologue
EAL: Galadriel knows too much… Post-TTT
greatsantini: Galadriel: RB vs. PJ Comparing Ralph Bakshi's Galadriel with Peter Jackson's

Haldir

llyr ap cenydd: The Death Of Haldir Pre-TTT
sulfistal: Snobby Haldir? Post-FOTR
MirkwoodMistress: Haldir’s end at Helm’s Deep – WHY? Post-TTT

Legolas

Geek: Legolas’ appearance Pre-FOTR
Nár: Is Legolas a likeable character? Silly thread
brambleroseGamgee: Official Legolas Character Study/Profile Thread
The Angel: So, who liked the Orliphaunt?
PStewart: What happened to Legolas? Discussion about whether Legolas diminished over the course of the three films.

Other Elves

Mammo: Celeborn – he wasn’t so bad after all Pre-FOTR:EE
Mithfânion: Cirdan?
animal54: Gil-Galad
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Men of LOTR:

Aragorn (and Narsil/Anduril)


I Am Not A Gun: Is PJ adding elements of Beren and Luthien to Aragorn and Arwen’s story Pre-FOTR discussion
Gorel: Integrating Aragorn and Arwen’s romance into the story Pre-FOTR speculation
DeSoto: Aragorn the graverobber? Discussion concerning Aragorn taking Boromir's gauntlets
Mithfânion: A small thing I find gravely irritating Aragorn discussion
TheLidlessEyes: Will Aragorn fight Sauron in ROTK? Pre-ROTK discussion
ElfStoneJim: PJ’s Aragorn and Boromir.
Gandalf’sMother: Aragorn and Lurtz: A Sexual encounter (This is NOT a TOS Violation!)
Linden: Aragorn and the One Ring: a book flaw repaired in the movie?
Dr. Strangelove: Aragorn’s decision to chase Merry and Pippin – another film fix?
Angbasdil: Aragorn – book vs film: The Biggest Difference.
Bard-of-Laketown: Arwen and Aragorn = No Chemistry
Ethel: Some thoughts on movie Aragorn
Dr. Strangelove: Aragorn and Boromir’s fabulous new scene in the new edition Post-FOTR:EE discussion
Iavas Saar: Reasons for the warg attack/fake death Post-TTT
Kingslayer: Good call, Aragorn Should Aragorn have let Gríma Wormtongue go?
Gandalf’sMother: Respect Aragorn’s Authoritaa! Post-TTT discussion
LadyStefania: Aragorn, Kingship, and Dirt
Queen Beruthiel: Over-emphasis on Aragorn? Post-TTT discussion
neolaith: Strider (Aragorn) should have been… Should Aragorn have been the Ringbearer?
Voronwe the Faithful: Once Over Lightly: In Defense of Film Aragorn
Elmtree: Consistency in the films/Aragorn
TheLidlessEyes: Aragorn, Frodo And Modern Storytelling
Mylady: Eowyn and Aragorn – in the film
greatsantini: Book Aragorn
Lord Baltimore: Eomer and Aragorn
Burns: Ehhh. Where’s the return of the king? Post-ROTK discussion
Hama: Just noticed something… Post-ROTK discussion of Aragorn and the palantír
eborr: Why is Anduril So Weedy? Post-ROTK
Kezmoid: POLL: Aragorn vs. Sauron – Should it have happened? Post-ROTK

Boromir

Wildwood: Boromir holding the Ring and Elves fading Pre-FOTR discussion
DeSoto: Boromir and Narsil Post-FOTR discussion
ElfStoneJim: PJ’s Aragorn and Boromir.
Dr. Strangelove: Aragorn and Boromir’s fabulous new scene in the new edition post-FOTR:EE discussion
DarkMoon: Boromir in FoTR
Eli Cash: Boromir Poll
Eli Cash: When Should Boromir Die?
Gondorian: Isildur and Boromir
NamelessOne: Boromir’s world record Post-TTT:EE discussion
Macsen: Boromir Overrated

Denethor

robo: Clash of Characters: Denethor vs Pippin Pre-ROTK
GimliBrokeMyNeck: Concerning Denethor Pre-ROTK
Uber-Monkey: Denethor SPOILERS from the Official Site Pre-ROTK
orginal.wombat: Denethor in TT:EE
Dad-human: Denethor’s meal Post-ROTK
Nár: The Denethor debate Post-ROTK
Lord Baltimore: The Pyre of Denethor Post-ROTK
Axordil: In defense -- sort of -- of Denethor’s plunge
Dr. Strangelove: In Defence of Denethor Post-ROTK
Radagast-the-Ruddy: John Noble on Denethor Post-ROTK
thebachelor: Denethor and 9/11
Alarond: Denethor -- character destroyed!

Dúnedain/Rangers of the North

JWW: Rangers in TTT? Pre-TTT speculation
dego: Rotk – Halbarad, Dunedain, Rangers of the North??? Pre-ROTK speculation

Easterlings, Corsairs of Umbar & Southrons/Haradrim

Prozac Loki: The Haradrim have been cut Pre-TTT speculation
Gungnir: Where did the Easterlings come from? Post-TTT
celebgalad: UN-official Easterling thread

Eomer

DeSoto: Theoden demented/Eomer indifferent
Lord Baltimore: Eomer and Aragorn
greatsantini: Eomer: Diminished, or enhanced?

Eowyn

Wildwood: Eowyn kills the King of the Witches?!? Pre-FOTR
FaramirsDaughter: Eowyn changes??? Can they be defended??? Pre-TTT
Caspian: Thoughts about Eowyn Pre-TTT
LunaCity: Eowyn and Theoden – lacking in character development? Post-TTT
Leonides*: Faramir and Eowyn: Does it make sense?
Opeth: I guess no Eowyn fighting an Uruk in the caves then…..? Post-TTT
Mylady: Eowyn and Aragorn – in the film
Mylady – Eowyn – does she cry too much?
Braganil: Eowyn’s song? Post-TTT:EE
Nuke: Official Eowyn vs. The Witch King thread Post-ROTK
LadyAshley: Eowyn, secrecy, and the Surprise! Element Post-ROTK

Faramir

Hama: AICN report on Faramir at Minas Tirith pre-FOTR discussion
Dr. Strangelove: Speculation on Faramir’s temptation pre-TTT discussion
g0atboy: Philippa says “stuff” about Faramir pre-TTT discussion
noledge: Faramir’s playtime map of Middle Earth!!!
Beanomir: A Lament for Faramir: A Poem
Winged Balrog: Okay, this needs its own thread -- Why I had no problems with Faramir.
robnj: Peter Jackson explains Faramir’s depiction
botchrock: This note on Faramir’s character change appeared on theonering.net
roaccarcsson: Movie-Faramir like his brother? I think not
Legessa of Gondor: Faramir-good or bad?
Iavas Saar: Faramir, Captain of Gondor
RangerSmith: Peter Jackson talks Faramir
greatsantini: Faramir: Best Leader in Towers
Leonides*: Faramir and Eowyn: Does it make sense? pre-ROTK discussion
JewelSong: What’s so great about Faramir, anyway?
Kezmoid: Themes in The Two Towers – Théoden, Treebeard and Faramir
crispycreme: Faramir’s treatment of Gollum post-TTT:EE discussion
Voronwe the Faithful: The Final Verdict on Faramir post-ROTK discussion
Magpie: Praise for Filmamir
Cressida: Is Faramir now the LEAST good of the good guys?
faramirfan2: Significance of Faramir & Eowyn’s Romance

Gondorians

LadyStefania: Stewards o’ Gondor Pre-TTT
Count Isaac: Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth Pre-ROTK
RangerSmith: Beregond in ROTK?! Get in here Pre-ROTK
Gondorian: Isildur and Boromir
LadyStefania: Inside (Gondorian) Politics, hosted by Peter Jackson Pre-TTT:EE
Braganil: For whom the bell tolls, or – how religious was Gondor? Post-ROTK

The Nazgul and the Witch King

ArumirIII: In defense of flaming Nazgul
Gandalf’sMother: Pippin’s role in ROTK Don’t let the thread title fool you, it’s mostly about the Nazgul
Wilco185: The Power of the Nazgûl
Morgoth The Inexorable: Movie Nazgul. Are they misrepresented Post-ROTK
IrishElf*: Are the Nazgul on horses scarier than on the Fell beasts?
See also Fell Beast in Misc. Characters post.

Rohirrim

Loccrist: Why is Morwen in the movie? Pre-FOTR
mcdsean: Death of Hama Post-TTT
BarkeepInBree: Rohirrim’s Love for Horses Post-TTT
Darmok the Green: Names of ‘invented’ characters
lord sparrowhawk: About Eothain and Garulf
roaccarcsson: Names in Rohan
Gandalf’sMother: Rapid Asexual Reproduction in Rohan? Post-TTT
Woods Walker: Rohirrim characters
brotherbeck: ”The Rohan” vs. “The Rohirrim” Post-TTT
SamwiseGamgee: Gamling Post-TTT

Theoden

noledge:
Am I (and I think I am) the only one who doesn't like Theoden?
pre-TTT discussion
LunaCity:Eowyn and Theoden - lacking in character development?
ArumirIII:Theoden: weak king or Aragorn's Tutor (discussion of film events)
Rómestar:The rape of Faramir? What of THEODEN KING?
krylite:Bakshi's dialog of Theoden better at the end of Helm's Deep.
wilko185:Theoden's exorcism
Iavas Saar:Does Theoden know of Eowyns feelings for Aragorn?
GimliBrokeMyNeck:Did You hate Movie Theoden?
RangerSmith:There will be no relationship between Theoden and Merry
DrStrangelove:Theoden's use of the word "Child"
Dances-With-Shrapnel:"And what would you have me do?" - PJ's Theoden
Macsen:Why does King Theoden's beard turn green?
Kezmoid:Themes in The Two Towers – Théoden, Treebeard & Faramir
Ralph the Wonder Llama:Theoden at Edoras:A Defense and Analysis of a Critical Decision in TTT
GimliBrokeMyNeck: Theoden redeemed?
Gandalf'sMother: Theoden logic
Winged Balrog: Theoden’s Speech: The greatest motivational speech ever? post-ROTK discussion
Amphiaraus: ROTK Theoden: Revisionist Interpretations?

Wormtongue, Gríma

Nár: A one-dimensional Wormtongue? I hope not Pre-TTT speculation
ElfStar: Grima’s tears
Mithfânion: Does the film leave any need for Wormtongue? Post-TTT
Thorondil: Extent of Grima’s treachery Post-TTT
MaroonBombadil: Wormtongue’s tear
Marwë: Gríma as TTT’s Boromir
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Hobbits and their ilk

Bilbo

RocksMars: Is Bilbo at the Council? Pre-FOTR

Frodo & Sam

Plunge:Will Sam be a family man when the quest begins? Some pre-FOTR speculation.
August:Frodo and Sam's master and servant relationship Another pre-movie speculation thread.
Imahobbit:Are Frodo and Sam Gay? There are lots of these threads, but this is the only one that survived for over 400 posts, though I’m not sure why.
JRRTfanatic: Will Frodo’s character be weakened? Pre-FOTR
Radagast-the-Ruddy:Sam Fanciers, c'mere! A rather fluffy 500 posts.
Peachpippin: Sam-isms Pre-TTT
noledge: ”But it cannot stay in the Shire!” “No, no it can’t” Post-FOTR
Nashalier: Change in Frodo in the Fellowship movie
Radagast-the-Ruddy: Sam the Scold and Other Middle-earth Mysteries Silly thread
Marwë: Frodo and Sam Discussion immediately post TTT
Magpie: Frodo’s Strength (or lack thereof…) Post-TTT
Diamond of Long Cleeve: Di's hearfelt plea to PJ and New Line re: Frodo
Valdagor: Is Sam too mean to Gollum? Post-TTT
Iavas_Saar : Frodo and Sam: our journey through life (feel free to share problems) Thoughtful thread based upon Sam’s speech at the end of TTT.
Luinnenion: Frodo is such an apologist… Post-TTT discussion of Frodo apologising to Sam in Henneth Annun
vynaca_of_mirkwood: Will Sam put on the Ring? ROTK SPOILERS Pre and Post ROTK discussion on the choices of Master Samwise.
roaccarcsson: If you think Frodo offers the Ring to the Nazgul, come here! Post-TTT
Eli Cash: Why did Frodo lie? Post-TTT discussion of Frodo lying to Faramir about Gollum
neolaith:Elijah Wood doesn't seem to fit Tolkien's description of Frodo Baggins
Northerner: I can’t do this, Sam Post-TTT discussion of Frodo’s line in Osgiliath
Voronwe the Faithful: ”He’s much more conscious of what’s happening to him in Return of the King” Pre-ROTK discussion of Philippa Boyens comments on Frodo’s character
Kezmoid: Frodo as a cancer survivor Discussion of Green Books (TORn) article
Dragonfire: Will Sam carry the ring? Pre-ROTK speculation, with good discussion about Sam’s character.
TheLidlessEyes: Aragorn, Frodo And Modern Storytelling
Queen Beruthiel: Use the Ring … Just this once. Put it on. Disappear. Post-TTT discussion of Frodo & Sam Henneth Annun scene
laureanna:Frodo’s disintegration – what’s the attraction?
Ereshkigal: Jackson absolutely ruined Frodo -- On second viewing, maybe not Post-ROTK
Marwë: The Choices of Master Samwise
Scarlet: For the Emotionally Wrecked
Magpie: Movie!Frodo and Sam in ROTK
MinasMorgul11: I was so happy they included Sam and Rosie getting married in the movie
Dragonfire: Philippa Boyens defends Frodo sending Sam away…
Rubyg: Frodo's Temptation
Is1202:Sam and the Ring in his pocket Post ROTK discussion
Sorontur: Why didn’t Sam inherit Bag End? Post-ROTK

Gollum/Smeagol & Deagol

Dr. Strangelove: Should Gollum be CGI or an actor? Pre-FOTR
Wildwood: Boyens on Gollum’s “moment of triumph” Pre-FOTR
Kelannar: Will Gollum’s death be changed? Pre-FOTR speculation
crispycreme: Treebeard or Gollum: which will be harder to pull off? Pre-TTT discussion
Iavas Saar: The Balrog (NOW Gollum) - the most impressive CGI ever seen?
Gandalf’s Mother: Why Gollum never got his Groove back (revived for TheWagner)
Ash Nazg 13: Gollum = Comic Relief?! Post-TTT
Parkingtigers: Ok, so who else DIDN’T like Gollum? Post-TTT
Rev1619: What if Gollum jumps?
roaccarcsson: Gollum’s movie death: Act of God, or self-sacrifice? Post-TTT
Northerner: Is Gollum TTT’s Boromir?
Hero’s Song: Does Gollum make you laugh or cry? Post-TTT
DaveyJoe: Official Smeagol/Deagol thread Post-ROTK
Voronwe the Faithful: The Development of Gollum Post-ROTK
dhspgt: Gollum’s sacrifice Post-ROTK discussion about the parallels between Smeagol & Deagol’s fight and Frodo & Gollum’s fight
ScentedElf: Why I believe the Smeagol/Deagol flashback scene belonged in ROTK
SpringleRing_DragonLady: GollumA great discussion about Gollum and much more.

Merry and Pippin

Nerdanel: Merry and Pippin: Carrot thieves! What about mushrooms?! Pre-FOTR
DrCreggan: Pippin and Gandalf Post-FOTR
robo: Clash of Characters: Denethor vs Pippin Pre-ROTK
ILvEowyn: Why is Merry so smart?
ArPharazon: The Road Goes Ever On for Merry and Pippin Post-FOTR
no brain dain: Small SE trouble: Speed travelling Merry and Pippin
RangerSmith: There will be no relationship between Theoden and Merry Pre-ROTK
Me-elf: Pippin treated unfairly? Post-ROTK
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Maiar and Valar

Maiar in general

akallabeth: Jackson’s Take on Magic

Balrog

Pellin: Movie Balrog has wings! Pre-FOTR
Hama: Mazarbul madness or the Balrog as savior Pre-FOTR
Iavas Saar: The Balrog (NOW Gollum) - the most impressive CGI ever seen?
ElfStar: Does the Balrog in LotR really have wings or are they CG? Silly thread

Gandalf

FrodoTook: "Panicky Gandalf", "Gandalf Bumps His Head" My Feelings Pre-FOTR speculation
robo: Why did Gandalf fall?
Prozac Loki: Why did Gandalf let Gollum go?
Gandalf'sMother: Gandalf the Git (revived for Radagast-the-Ruddy)
ngaur: Gandalf the sourpuss and company
Hama: Gandalf's Gethsemane
TheLidlessEye: Gandalf's Moria Problem
noledge: How do you view the reactions to Gandalf's death?
Voronwe the Faithful: Ian McKellen on Gandalf
SamwiseGamgee: Why didn't Gandalf take Frodo to Saruman?
Voronwe the Faithful: Educate Voronwe RE: Why Gandalf's Fall Was So Bad (or Dr. Strangelove Reloaded)
roaccarcsson: Gandalf v. Henry, Round 1: A screenplay challenge
tuuka: It's a good thing what PJ did with Gandalf vs. WiKi pre-ROTK discussion
sultanoswing: Mithrandir Pre-ROTK discussion
Sanderling: Gandalf's amnesia in TT

Radagast

McGarnuckle: Radagast replaced by a moth! Pre-FOTR outrage
IAmLegolas: Radagast The Brown lives!! And so does Tom, Goldberry …

Saruman

AncalagonTheBlack: Wizard Kebab photo aka RSWD pre-FOTR speculation
Gungnir: Wizard kebab aka RSWD revisited pre-FOTR discussion
Hama: How I learned to stop worrying and love the Wizard Kebab pre-FOTR discussion
Semprini: Expansion of Saruman’s role pre-FOTR discussion
Dave LF: Christopher Lee speaks regarding Saruman’s Demise pre-TTT speculation
Voronwe the Faithful: The Portrayal of Saruman
Danielos: Did Saruman “forget” about the ring??
noledge: Is Saruman as one-dimensional as we all think?
Macsen: Can’t teach an old Saruman new tricks… Discussion of Saruman’s non-action during the Ent’s attack on Isengard
Kezmoid: PJ’s ROTK – The Voice of Saruman pre-ROTK speculation
Laureanna: Tell me again why Saruman wants to exterminate the Rohirrim
Frobbit: Saruman Sequence: Rotk Spoiler! Discussion of the news that the VoS sequence was cut from the ROTK:TE
roaccarcsson: Speaking of Saruman: another essay contest
Semprini: Voice of Saruman does not belong in ROTK pre-ROTK discussion
IAmLegolas: New PJ interview regarding Saruman/Christopher Lee, etc.

Sauron

sandyman: Sauron's physical appearance in the movies Pre-FOTR speculation
TheLidlessEyes: Will Aragorn fight Sauron in ROTK? Pre-ROTK
Gandalf’sMother: Genocide? Pre-TTT discussion of Sauron's motives
PipeSmoke: Sauron’s Shockwave – Was it fatal? Post-FOTR
ArPharazon: Burning Sauron Post-FOTR
Aravar: Genocide: Morgoth, Sauron and PJ Pre-TTT
Blasted saber: The Eye of Sauron Pre-TTT
Timmy: Is Sauron forgetful, or merely a dullard? Post-TTT
Nár: Sauron Poll Pre-ROTK
Gondorian: Visualization of Sauron Pre-ROTK
Leonides*: Sauron’s Death… A Missed Opportunity Post-ROTK
Batavian: Lighthouse of Sauron Post-ROTK
akallabeth: TLE causes the biggest problems for adaptors Post-ROTK
Kezmoid: POLL: Aragorn vs. Sauron – Should it have happened? Post-ROTK
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26.

Misc. Peoples, Monsters, Animals, and Important Things of ME

Dwarves (especially Gimli)

horge: Gimli whacking the Ring Pre-FOTR
fox: I liked Gimli. Do I stand alone? Post-FOTR
Nár: Gimli, an emissary of evil Silly thread
Diamond of Long Cleeve: The Restoration of Gimli Post-FOTR:EE
frodolives: Gimli used as too much comic relief. Post-TTT
Halbarash of the Rohirrim: Gimli’s fighting style…
Queen Beruthiel: Gimli’s burp
Nob You Slowcoach: Definitive Justification for the Inclusion of Dwarf Tossing
Queen Beruthiel: Humour in the films – and Gimli

Eagles

Democritus: PJ has a problem with the Eagles … Pre-TTT
Dragonfire: How do you think PJ’s ROTK will handle the eagles …
Voronwë_the_Steadfast:On wings doft as the wind

Ents (especially Treebeard)

crispycreme: Treebeard or Gollum: which will be harder to pull off? pre-TTT discussion
Mithfânion: Pj's Treebeard: evil intentions pre-TTT discussion
Linden: an ode to Ents
Dave LF: Ents deciding *not* to go to war? Why I liked it.
ArPharazon: The Rape of Fangorn
Iavas Saar: The entmoot - a good piece of adapting?
Dr.Strangelove: Ent attack on Isengard
Kezmoid: Themes in The Two Towers – Théoden, Treebeard & Faramir

Fell Beasts

Háimreik: The fell beasts Post-TTT
see also Nazgul, under Men of ME

Horses, Mearas & Ponies

Diamond of Long Cleeve: The fate of Bill the Pony? Pre-FOTR
EntSpinster: A Dark Horse- - or “Aragorn and Brego?”
Earendil The Mariner: Snowmane at Helm’s Deep
smegolas: Shadowfax Shadowfax disappointing?
MariaHobbit: Why did they change the horse that played Shadowfax in the last scene of TTT?
Constance: Is anyone else ticked about a WHITE Shadowfax?
Uialiel: Brego

The Moth

McGarnuckle: Radagast replaced by a moth! Pre-FOTR outrage

Mouth of Sauron

Dad-human: Mouth of Sauron … his role in the movie
Gungnir: Mouth of Sauron is … ?? Pre-ROTK discussion of news that the Mouth may be blind

Mûmakil/Oliphaunts

roaccarcsson: Models for wargs & mumakil
See also Legolas

Orcs and their ilk

Hama: Where did the idea for Orc pods come from? Pre-FOTR
Shagrat(): Portrayal of Orcs and Uruk-hai in the movies Pre-FOTR
Shagrat(): Of Orcs and Orc Pods Pre-FOTR
HELM’S DEEP: Spider Orcs Pre-FOTR
Elfslayer: Lurtz, Morwen and other new characters Pre-FOTR
Shagrat(): The Uruk-hai: How High?
llyr ap cenydd: Ugluk, Grishnakh and Friends
Gandalf’sMother: Aragorn and Lurtz: A Sexual encounter (This is NOT a TOS Violation!)
restless-spirit: Lurtz=Anti-Strider? Post-FOTR
Háimreik: Importance of Uruk-hai in the movie
robnj: Mommy, where do Uruk-hai come from? Oh, and what are goblins?
TheSiegeofGondor: The official thread for mourners of book Grishnakh
sylthian: Anyone else have pity for the Orcs??
Darmok the Green: The Orcs of T2T
MariaHobbit: Orcs, mathematics and ladders Post-TTT
Darmok the Green: Names of ‘invented’ characters
jezabear: Orc accents in ROTK Pre-ROTK
Shagrat(): Gorbag, Shagrat and the Uruk-hai of Mordor Pre-ROTK
Elendil36: What the heck is with ‘the Puffy Orc’? Gothmog discussion
original.wombat: The Orcs of ROTK
HELMHAMMERHAND: Orc Livery Post-ROTK
Lord Morningstar: Uruk-hai vs Lesser Orcs Post-ROTK

Palantiri

Whistler: Does Saruman have the palantír on his staff? Pre-FOTR
iluv2act: How will they work in the Palantir? Pre-ROTK

The One Ring

Ringgamer: Ring on a plinth at the Council Pre-FOTR outrage
Grimnir: The One Ring as it relates to addiction…
Prozac Loki: Is the Ring being de-emphasized? Pre-TTT concerns
Marty: At what point does Isildur put on the ring in the SE DVD Pre-FOTR speculation
Kushana: One Ring=Machine?
Gungnir: The Ring speaks! (Are you listening Earnil?)
Iavas Saar: The potency of the Ring
barky: The Salon of Semprini: Film Ring vs. Book Ring
Jnyusa: Who doesn’t want the Ring of Power? Post-TTT
Flintari2: How do they deal with the Ring, if the Hobbit were made into a movie?
Voronwe the Faithful: Poster Purist Poll Poll and discussion on the Ring chaffing Frodo’s neck
Cerin: Regarding “Ring Temptation” (Attn: Cressida)
wilko185: Could anyone really harm the Ring?

Rings, other

Telperion: Three Rings for the Elven Kings…

Shelob

The Mormegil: Shelob NOT in TTT??? Pre-TTT reactions
TheLidlessEyes: Did we miss Shelob? Post-TTT reactions
Háimreik: Is it me or does Shelob look a little small in the trailer?
Lord Morningstar: Seeing RotK with Arachnophobia: The Shelob Problem
greatsantini: Shelob: final thoughts Post-ROTK reactions

Tom Bombadil

ceolwulf: Will Tom Bombadil be in the director’s cut? Pre-FOTR speculation
AlphaHelix: Tom Bombadil in the movie and Tom as Aule Pre-FOTR
Eli Cash: Why Tom Bombadil is Necessary
barky: PJ talks to the Times… about his opinion of Tom Bombadil
IAmLegolas: Radagast The Brown lives!!! And so does Tom, Goldberry… WETA’s Decipher card images

Trolls

samiam44: Trolls - gates of Mordor Post-TTT
Lord Cie: Troll continuity error? Post-ROTK

Wargs

roaccarcsson: Models for wargs & mumakil
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Postby Linden » Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:30 am

PosterChild - perhaps some of those thread links should have warning labels - for example Warning readers with the following conditions might wish to think thrice, and consult with their physician, psychiatrist, or mother as appropriate, before clicking this link: hypertension, hypohumoritis, hyperrevisionitis, purolepsy, orthopragmatitus or any other malady of the psyche subject to overstimulation by exposure to hypercopious quantities of spurious, specious, speculative, hyperspecific, splenetic, spelaean, splendiferous, or even spherical, argumentative spiel of the basest sort.
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Postby PosterChild » Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:52 pm

27.

Stuff to locate and review

Time to merge Tolkien and Monty Python? I think so!
Book and Movie as Two Separate Historical Accounts
The Osgiliath Thread, Part 1
The Osgiliath Thread, Part 2
Things Characters from LOTR would NEVER Say
What Can We All Agree On?
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Postby PosterChild » Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:21 am

28. (links not confirmed yet)

Discussion of specific scenes (or omitted scenes)

The Whole Story

The Ultimate Geek Observation List For FOTR and TTT.
Teremia: M00bies reads the b00ks
TORN: m00bies watches the movies

The Prologue

AncalagonTheBlack: The Complete List of Film Changes REVISITED: Prologue: One Ring to Rule Them All…
Saranthir: Strange things in the Prologue
eborr: Three Rings for Elven Kings Under the Sky

All that stuff left out between Hobbiton and Bree

The Book's Biggest Flaw (WARNING: Heresy Alert) Books, Movies, and Manwe collide in this wide ranging thread. Mostly about early chapters of FOTR.

Bree

Hama: The Eye at Bree
Lady Galadriel10: Which Bree do you like?

Weathertop

Iavas Saar: The redeeming features of Weathertop
ngaur: The logical flaws of Weathertop
LunaCity: The ritualistic aspects of Weathertop
Iavas Saar: The truth about Weathertop

The Council of Elrond

BlueKangaroo: Changes to the Council of Elrond scene Pre-FOTR
Danielos: The Council of Elrond - scene is GOOD!

Helm's Deep and the Warg Attack

Iavas Saar: Reasons for the warg attack/fake death Post-TTT
ArathornII: Wargs and Osgiliath, PJ’s Biggest Mistakes Post-TTT
Iavas Saar: Swash-buckling at Helm’s Deep

Osgiliath

Radagast-the-Ruddy: Osgiliath Oddities
Iavas Saar: Osgiliath voteIs Osgiliath an action scene or a character scene?
Shagrat(): Why Osgiliath was an excellent idea.
Iavas Saar: Swooning thread for Osgiliath
ArathornII: Wargs and Osgiliath, PJ’s Biggest Mistakes
Dave LF: Osgiliath and the Sons of the Steward
Dal: How long did the garrison at Osgiliath hold in ROTK?

The Paths of the Dead

Leonides*: Should the Paths of the Dead be cut? Pre-ROTK
Gandalf’s Mother: A small cave on Degobah Pre-ROTK

Siege of Gondor & the Battle of the Pelennor Fields

jsavfusco: Will the Battle of the Pelennor Fields be a Muddy Mess? Pre-ROTK
EcthelionII: The Official Ride of the Rohirrim onto the Pelennor Fields Thread
Lord Morningstar: The siege and Pelennor battle, too simplistic?
Romariel: If I were Gondor’s general… Post-ROTK
MotherOfCavetroll: The INVINCIBILTY of the Army of the Dead makes the Rohirrim meaningless!
Braganil: MTs slingshot ammunition – IMPOSSIBLE!

The Scouring, or Lack Thereof:

Hama: Scouring in or out? Pre-FOTR
Beorn: Why the Scouring is important Pre-FOTR
locksley: Scouring of the Shire cut? Pre-FOTR
greatsantini: Red Dragon, Manhunter, and Scouring
droolie: Fill in the blanks (A Scouring dilemma)
roaccarcsson: Any Scouring fans given pause by the reviews?
TragicNiniel: Scouring of the Shire – Afterthoughts.

The End .... the end ... the end .... really:
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Postby laureanna » Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:11 pm

I won't be able to keep up this thread any more. To those of you who value the work done so far, you have several choices:

1. One of you may choose to start a new thread in your own screen name so you can take care of it. It needs constant feeding and attention, so do not take on the responsibility lightly. To copy everything over with code, simply click on "reply with quote" and that particular post will be shown in the text box with all the code revealed. Cut it and paste it into your new thread, minus the quote tags at beginning and end. Then do the same for the other 29 posts.

2. Unsticky the thread and let it slip away.

3. Leave it as is, a partially complete work, but usable. Add threads that you particularly like. They may not be indexed, but they will still be there for others to read.

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