The_Gypsy_Scribe
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:46 pm |
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The Norse Mythology Enthusiasts Guild
Hello, Hello.
You can envision this as a long house against the Sea in a haven of greyish green, for the Winter soon comes. Yea, these are lands of the North and as we wait out the winter next to friends and company against the warm hearth, what better way to spend the time then to sing of tales of the North. Chiefly, the mythology of the Norse.
Now I am a new comer to these parts, but as a Gypsy Scribe, I am always ready and eager to hear new tales. Aside from knowing who Odin, Thor, Tyr, Frega, and Loki are, there is little I know of Norse Mythology. I am eager to learn about the different levels of the Heavens and Hell, so if anyone is interested in discussion with regard to a Mythology that Professor Tolkien himself revered, please stop by and enlighten a humble scribe.
First topic. Ragnarock. What is it, and how will it come about?
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SilverScribe
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:40 pm |
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Well, I'm no Gypsy, but I am the original Scribe . . . and always willing to help out a fellow traveller on the road of knowledge . . .
Isn't Ragnarok the same as "Gotterdammerung"? Y'know, the end of the world as we know it, the Doom of the Gods and all that? When the world goes into a three year winter with escalating wars and sliding moral values and well, basically, society going to hell in a handbasket . . .
Hmmm, aside from the extra long winter, it sort of sounds like the world as we know it lately . . .
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None_Elf_Ear
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:09 am |
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Wonderful news !!! 
Thank you sooo incredibly much for opening this place ! For an enthousiast as me, it is a bless, and I owe you my allegiance Excuse my stupid talking, it is due to my high emotion when seeing this actually true, before my eyes !
Whatever. Do not be scared. I'll come here as often as possible, and I hope this place evolves soon. So which is the first topic ?
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The_Gypsy_Scribe
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:28 am |
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Welcome
SilverScribe!
You must be the one to whom TrueHobbit is asking if I am related (in another thread). I can happily inform said hobbit you and I are indeed matched in vocation and banner of alliegance. I am happy to have a Ring bearer enter the guild. Your view on Ragnarock is what I have heard myself, but I am a novice at Norse Mythology (which is why I started this gig), and wondered if there was more details on the battles, players, et al.
Well met,
None_Elf_Ear
. I am pleased with your enthusiasm, and will rely on you and others to help edify this thread. Anything you can supply on our first topic of Ragnarock would be a tremendous asset. Nothing spices up a conversation like THE END OF THE WORLD. A possible subthread would be: Did Tolkien incorporate Ragnarock in LOTR? I'm of the opinion he did not. Everyone feel free to comment on both questions if you like. 
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The_Gypsy_Scribe
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:29 pm |
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SilverScribe, if you do read this, I may be switching allegiances after all. So I suppose we will only have writing in common. But I may not change yet. Even though Earendil is most excellent, I feel as if I am not worthy of the banner and may embrace the mark of one of his descendants.
I just felt it needed to be said. 
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SilverScribe
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:47 pm |
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Thanks for the welcome Gypsy Scribe.
I know a little about a lot of things, but not horribly much about any one of them, LOL.
Actually, did you page back through this forum? I seem to recall seeing another Guild very much like this one . . . Legends and Lovers of Lore or something like that . . .
Well, I (my character, actually) is peredhel and was "born under Earendil's beam", so to speak so the banner for me is a given. I'm not sure why you don't feel worthy to fly it, but whatever else you choose will be grand and any Banner will be honoured to claim your allegience.
waves at NEE . . .
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~Bard of Renown(with Title), Bards Guild | Second Mate, Mariners Guild | Bunch 'o White Council Awards 2002-2006 ~
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Image is the result of my flagrant misuse of pencil crayons and shameless abuse of Photoshop. My heartfelt apologies to David Cherry for savageing his original work "Bladeswoman".
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On the road again in
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The_Gypsy_Scribe
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:52 am |
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Actually, I took a bit of time to click through each page of Alliances, without regard to the sticky, and did not find anything overtly like this. And judging from how far down the list this thread is being pushed since its inception, I am rather despondent with regard to its success. Maybe there are just not that many Norse Enthusiasts out there? 
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Nicasam
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:02 pm |
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Hello NEE and Scribbles how are you???
Welcome to TORC Gypsy I love this Idea I have loved mythology
especially Norse and Germanic, since I was a little boy.
Can I join the Guild or Alliance?
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None_Elf_Ear
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:44 am |
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I'll think about the first topic you've mentioned and will try to come with some interesting idea. This needs a review of my Norse Mythology books (little in number, but useful indeed) and my comeback for some days later, in order to let you know what I have come to
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The_Gypsy_Scribe
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The_Fool
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:40 pm |
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Scribbley One, I believe Ragnarok was initially 'The Doom of the Gods.' It had a lot to do with Loki's children, Fenrir and Jormungand specifically, who were said to signal the Beginning of the End.
According to prophecy the end of the world would follow a severe ice age (the endless winters as you said :d), in which human civilization would be destroyed. Then the gods of Asgard, led by Odin, would clash with the forces of evil and chaos, led by Loki and the giants. The wolf Skoll would finally swallow the sun and his brother would eat the moon leaving the world in darkness. Earthquakes would release Fenrir from Asgard who would swallow Odin on the field of battle. The wolf would be killed by...someone. I forget.  (checked my books. It was Odin's son Vidar ). Jormungand the serpent would make the seas froth and boil and his breath was supposed to make all earth poisoned and infertile. His thrashing would set free a ship of giants leaving them to sail towards the battlefield. A second ship carrying the dead given by Hel would be lead by her father, Loki.
Once the forces meet there are prospective clashes between particular enemies ie Thor and Jormungand, Odin and Fenrir, Loki and Heimdall. Usually both die. 
After a fierce battle the universe itself would be destroyed by fire sent by Surt, a fire giant, and the nine worlds would burn (including everyone on them) and then sink into the sea. After the destruction a new world, a 'land of milk and honey' as it were, was supposed to rise up from the sea. The surviving gods were supposed to rule and there was supposed to be no wickedness or misery. The descendants of Lif and Lifthrasir were said to be given the task of repopulating the earth.
Phew....I did go on. My apologies 
Yet after all that my favourite Norse God is, Loki I suppose it's because he's so vital to the entire show. He was a contradiction, an enigma, for though malicious he'd often right harm he himself created. That and I've always had a weakness for mischief makers I once read: "He reflects the awareness or attitude of the culture that gave birth to him - a certain fatalistic resignation that 'it's all going to happen anyway, so go for it.' "
I take my hat off to you
Gypsy
. What a marvellous thread you have
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The_Gypsy_Scribe
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:12 pm |
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The Fool wrote:
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I take my hat off to you Gypsy. What a marvellous thread you have
And I must say I take my beanie off to you, good Fool, for you have MADE the thread thus far with your illuminating and (in contrast to the entirety of the mythology)
brief
insight on Ragnarock. Thank you for your contribution, and I hope you are a regular here.
Now we have a lot to digest here, and that is splendid, because I will say again. I AM A NOVICE HERE. We have a lot of names and places here. Odin, of course is the chief of all Norse Gods. His son is Thor, God of thunder. Tyr is the God of War, I believe. Loki is the God of Mischief, and I've heard, Evil. Hel is his daugther? Well, she is the goddess of death. I know Heimdall is a guardian, and Balder is something too. The other goddesses elude my knowledge, but you have mentioned most all of these with an assortment of Giants in the entire course of your exposition.
What I learned today: was that the Norse Mythological universe is recreated following the calamity of Ragnarock. I was not clear about your references to the descendants of Lif and Lifthrasir. Are they Gods too? Now if we want to be literary about it, does Ragnarock resemble more the Fall of Morgoth, or Sauron, or Neither? This is TORC and I would like to keep a sub-thread of comparison going here because Tolkien is said to have gleaned much out of Norse literature. But I do not want to get too off topic.
Other thoughts or interpretations of Ragnarock are welcome and encouraged. Great dialogue, everyone!
And
Fool,
I enjoy your banter over at the Gypsies, guild. I am afraid my own muse is not yet ready to contribute to the RPG genre there, but I hope soon I will be.
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The_Fool
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The_Gypsy_Scribe
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:55 am |
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Thanks again, good Fool, for yet another helpful exposition. Your input is grately appreciated. 
Also everyone, I searched far and wide across the breadth of this weird and wacky world wide web and cannot find a better resource for Norse Mythology other than the one I've included below. I do not know how to insert hyperlinks properly, so just cut and paste to your browser if this doesn't work.
http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~cherryne/myth.cgi/Introduction.html
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SilverScribe
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:25 am |
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drags herself into the thread
Gads, I need coffee . . .
Your link is just fine Gypsy_Scribe. LOL, I think the Fool was talking to me when he said "Scribbly One". I hope you won't mind if I don't call you that , since, well, that's pretty much what the Fool and a certain mad, scratty elf have called me for a couple of years now, and it would feel . . . rather strange. 
I have a few books on Norse Mythology (and just about every other mythology you care to mention), but I've been either too lazy or too wrung out to do any looking up and undertake the prodigious sort of typing that our Foolish here is so capable of.
And speaking of Foolish, thank you for the correction, you know when I work from memory things are likely to be er . . . tilted or skewed. You know I have a less than perfect memory in real life . . .
Oh and Gypsy_Scribe, feel free to call me Scribbles. SilverScribe is too long and formal, SS reminds me too much of the Nazi's and call me Silver at your peril. Though he was a noble beast, I have no real desire to share a name with the Lone Ranger's horse . . .
wanders off in search of more coffee
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~Bard of Renown(with Title), Bards Guild | Second Mate, Mariners Guild | Bunch 'o White Council Awards 2002-2006 ~
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Image is the result of my flagrant misuse of pencil crayons and shameless abuse of Photoshop. My heartfelt apologies to David Cherry for savageing his original work "Bladeswoman".
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The_Gypsy_Scribe
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:36 am |
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Thanks for coming back, and go hard for that coffee, Scribbles. And to avoid any confusion you may call be Scribs. (If that works for you, farbeit for me to usurp any established nicknname.) Otherwise, maybe other suggestions from the masses.....
Also everyone, any more views on Rarnarock?!?!? I am going to the bookstore & library this week in search for a comprehensive book on Norse Mythology. If I find one I think is well suited, I shall pass it along.
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SilverScribe
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:18 pm |
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Oh, I think Scribbs, with two "b's" could work out okay for ya . . .
Let me see if I can dig out my book on Norse myths, I'm not sure there will be anything other than what our dear Fool already covered, but I can look.
Oh, and it's Ragna
rok
- not rock . . . there's no 'c'.
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Scribe, Istari understudy, Bookworm, Lore Seeker, Warrior, Wanderer, Poet, Storyteller and General Nuisance.
~Bard of Renown(with Title), Bards Guild | Second Mate, Mariners Guild | Bunch 'o White Council Awards 2002-2006 ~
~.~.~.~.~.~.~
Image is the result of my flagrant misuse of pencil crayons and shameless abuse of Photoshop. My heartfelt apologies to David Cherry for savageing his original work "Bladeswoman".
~.~.~.~.~.~.~
On the road again in
Redemption: The Reckoning
~ Proud Member of SOMA ~
RP Characters
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SilverScribe's Photo Gallery
"When you carry a broadsword, you never have the same problem twice."
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ShanndrahEartheart
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:21 pm |
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hmmm...it has been a while since I last looked in on the ragnarok...i know there where some interesting details that I loved, but you will have to wait till tomorrow when I can look into a book again to tell you more(I don't own a copy of bulfinch's mythology, only d'lauri...something). so I can look tomorrow and no sooner.
As far as my favorite god is...probably Baldor...because he was killed by Loki who tricked his blind brother into killing him with some mistletoe, and also because he comes back to life after the ragnarok...and there are some other gods with him, but i don't remember which...
Hmm...mythology review time!!! yay!!!
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The_Gypsy_Scribe
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:39 am |
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Silverscribe:
I must defer to the knowledge and wisdom to the ring bearing senior scribe of the TORC realms. You are quite correct. I misspelled it because I had a character villian named Ragnaro"ck" in an RPG setting long ago, and haven't spelled it correctly since. FORGIVE ME ALL!
ShanndrahEartheart:
I bid thee welcome, to the Longhouse. Feel free to drop in anytime. If you can provide for us here the name of your Norse Mythology reference book (and its ISBN#), I would appreciate it. I have said this in earlier threads, I am a rookie with regard to the details of Norse Mythology and this forum is dedicated to enlighten all.
I know little about Baldur, save for what you have stated above. But there seems to me in casual offline convesration a bit of a controversy betwixt these sons of Odin insofar that people generally like one over the other. So in addition to anything substatnial about Ragnarok, another topic that might afford more discussion is: Who do you like better, Balder or Thor? and WHY?
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The_Gypsy_Scribe
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:07 pm |
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Hello!
A rare double post! And a possibly percievable shameless bump to the top of the Guilds List 
EXCEPT....
I went to the local library and found two decent sources for Norse Mythology. I shall use them to pull my research from initially. I still welcome alternate sources anyone might suggest. The two listed below are outwardly juvenille, perhaps, in appearance, but then do not judge the book's cover. The content is informative, and well formatted.
Sagas of the Norsemen
, Castle House Publishing
ISBN: 31667077230067
Gods & Heroes from Viking Mythology
, by Brian Branston
ISBN: 0872269051
Enjoy!
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SilverScribe
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:11 pm |
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Ah, no worries Scribbs . . . I just hope y'all didn't think I was being a prat . . .
I'd love to re-read up on Norse mythology right now, but unfortunately it's that dreaded and feared time of all dreaded and feared times - Tax Time!! Or T-Time as my accountant friend likes to call it, only trouble is she keeps confusing me, I expect scones and clotted cream and instead, she spouts off about T1's and T2A's and lord knows what else . . .
But I digress . . .
If I had to choose between Baldur and Thor, it would be Thor every time. There's just something about a big blonde muscular man with a huge hammer . . .
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Scribe, Istari understudy, Bookworm, Lore Seeker, Warrior, Wanderer, Poet, Storyteller and General Nuisance.
~Bard of Renown(with Title), Bards Guild | Second Mate, Mariners Guild | Bunch 'o White Council Awards 2002-2006 ~
~.~.~.~.~.~.~
Image is the result of my flagrant misuse of pencil crayons and shameless abuse of Photoshop. My heartfelt apologies to David Cherry for savageing his original work "Bladeswoman".
~.~.~.~.~.~.~
On the road again in
Redemption: The Reckoning
~ Proud Member of SOMA ~
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"When you carry a broadsword, you never have the same problem twice."
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The_Gypsy_Scribe
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:09 am |
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The Scribbly One wrote:
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I just hope y'all didn't think I was being a prat . . .
Never. The more Scribe types, the better! 
Okay group, here is a new feature. I will be dropping in a bit of trivia on occassion as well as "Did you knows". They will all be simple at first, but hopefully as I learn more about Norse Mythology, the content will grow more interesting. Please feel free to respond in kind, or to keep with our discussion of Ragnarok, Balder v. Thor, or anything you may want to bring up.
DID YOU KNOW...That Odin, only had one eye?
Trivia: Who is the member of the Aesir that gave birth to Odin's Horse, Sleipnir?
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ShanndrahEartheart
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:48 pm |
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hmmm...haven't had much time recently to look back at the Norse Mythology stuff, so I suppose that I shall be lurking until I actually have time. Sorry...
...It is an interesting Guild, I just have some HUGE tests coming up at the beginning of May, and I have NO time to dillydally when I am actually able to get over to the library.
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