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Does jumping onboard Obama's hard left agenda (or meekly standing aside) equate to loyalty to the country now?
That's where you, and the right, lose all their credibility. This characterization is so amazingly off-base (just ask the 'hard left') that it is utterly meaningless. You can't negotiate with demagoguery. You should appreciate that fact, given your commitment to the global war on terror.
-GM
The part that makes me giggle is "Obama's hard left agenda". These people wouldn't know a real
leftist
if he bit them on the ankle.
But, you know, and I know, we all know, that these sorts of remarks will be repeated and repeated and repeated until, their utterers hope, they take on some aura of "truth". The old Ministers of Truth might not be in office, but they are still fighting the propaganda war.
The word "meme" springs to mind. I wonder why? |
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:49 am |
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Interesting poll. Looks like the demagoguery has been working!
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Looks like the "woman of the people" Sarah Palin wants $100,000 to give a speech in Iowa!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28873.html#at
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A conservative Iowa group’s effort to lure Sarah Palin to its banquet next month has had an unintended effect: Rather than exciting conservatives about the prospect of a visit from the former Alaska governor, the group’s plan to raise a six-figure sum to bring her to the state has GOP activists recoiling at the thought of paying to land a politician's speaking appearance.
The Iowa Family Policy Center’s effort to cobble together $100,000 for Palin would represent a striking departure from customary practice in the first-in-the-nation state, these Republicans say, noting that a generation of White House hopefuls has paid their own way to boost their party and presidential ambitions.
Were Palin to appear in Iowa on November 21st, it would mark her first trip back to the state since she spoke to a handful of rallies there last fall as the GOP’s vice-presidential nominee. She would offer powerful counter-programming to another major political event that night: The Iowa Democratic Party’s Jefferson-Jackson Dinner with Vice-President Joe Biden as the headliner.
But representatives from other Iowa-based political advocacy groups said they would never consider shelling out money for what many politicians see as a privilege: the opportunity to speak to a room full of sure-fire caucus-goers who often serve as precinct captains and can be instrumental to a presidential candidate’s success.
“If somebody tells me they want me to pay an appearance fee, it tells me they’re not very serious about running for president,” said Ed Failor, Jr., president of Iowans for Tax Relief and an influential GOP insider.
“I found it really, really odd,” Failor said.
He noted that his group had not and never would pay for a politician to speak—pointing out the obvious in-kind contribution any potential presidential hopeful receives by appearing in the state that kicks off the presidential nominating process.
“They come and show up here because they want to be relevant in Iowa,” he said.
Steve Scheffler, the president of the Iowa Christian Alliance and a longtime GOP activist, said his organization would also never ante up.
“We certainly wouldn’t do it, even if we had the money,” Scheffler said, adding that he wanted to keep his group “impartial” in the caucus process and that paying money to one prospective candidate could raise questions about such neutrality.
Tim Albrecht, spokesman for the conservative, Iowa-based American Future Fund, said his group “has a policy not to pay speakers to come to Iowa,” and, like Failor, hinted at what those guests get in return.
“We are proud to host conservative leaders from across the country, providing them an audience across the state and nation to share their conservative vision,” Albrecht said.
Like the other Iowa political hands, he could not recall a single instance where a potential candidate had been paid to speak.
At the request of the Iowa Family Policy Center, Team Sarah, a national pro-Palin organization not formally connected to the former governor, has begun raising money among its members in an effort to collect the $100,000.
Reached on his cell phone, Iowa Family Policy Center president Chuck Hurley said he had been expecting another call from the “202” area code and declined to answer questions, saying alternately that he was signing checks and in a meeting.
He passed his phone to Bryan English, a spokesman for the group, who initially said their effort to raise money was only to secure a venue, pay for lighting and promote the event.
But then he said he was “not personally aware of a speaker’s fee.”
“There may or may not be, I don’t know,” English said.
And he added: “Any details of arrangements between our speakers and our organization are between our speakers and our organization.”
But, money or not, it seems unlikely that Palin will appear for the event.
“This is one of more than a thousand requests for the governor's time,” said Palin spokeswoman Meg Stapleton. “This particular invitation arrived late last week. It is under consideration, as so many are, but will be incredibly difficult to attend with her tightly-scheduled book tour underway at that point.”
Palin’s book, “Going Rogue,” is to be released on November 17th, followed by a national book tour.
There is no indication that the former governor has requested a fee or that her decision whether to attend is being influenced by whether she’ll be paid.
Plainly, though, Hurley’s organization is trying to do all it can to get Palin to the banquet. In addition to working with the Team Sarah group to raise cash, the group issued a statement Tuesday promising an event “on a much larger scale” and touted their communications with the former governor “through both official and informal channels.”
Privately, Iowa Republicans are cringing at, not only the idea of pay-to-play, but also what they view as an amateurish effort to sell tickets for the dinner by floating Palin's name.
But English dismissed a question about the group’s tactics to secure a Palin visit.
“I don’t think anything about this process has to be part of a political tradition,” English said, observing that their only goal was to have a successful event.
Palin, it seems, is breaking the mold again.
Longtime Iowa strategists say the attempt to publicly dangle money before her is yet another reminder of Palin’s sui generis status on the political scene.
“She is a phenomenon,” said David Kochel, an Iowa GOP consultant, recalling the thousands Palin drew in her appearances in the state for the party ticket last fall.
“If she can draw a big enough crowd, it would put a spotlight on the organization,” Kochel added, noting that they could recoup the speaker’s fee if, as is being considered, they drew Palin and had the event at Des Moines’s Wells Fargo Arena. “They want to trade on her star power.”
Gordon Fischer, a former Iowa Democratic Party chairman and Des Moines lawyer, called the gambit “incredibly unusual.”
“It shows the incredible star power of Gov. Palin, at least in certain circles,” Fischer said.
The effort also underlines how Palin straddles the line between politician and political personality.
Failor, the anti-tax advocate, said the only other examples he could recall when a group paid for a political speech were with big-name talk show hosts such as Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.
But for Iowa political activists accustomed to high-profile politicians of both parties—Clintons, Kennedys and Bushs—descending on their state and spending hours in their homes, schools and churches, the idea of paying for the attention some see as their birthright is anathema.
“If it comes to pass, it's not a precedent Iowans will like,” said Ann Trimble-Ray, Chairwoman of the Sac County GOP. “We are spoiled -- and used to being paid attention to.”
-GM
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There is no indication that the former governor has requested a fee or that her decision whether to attend is being influenced by whether she’ll be paid.
Say what? After hundreds of words prattling on about how awful this is they finally get around to saying that Palin never asked for the money and there's no indication that it would influence her decision to speak to them?,
So other than Palin never asking for a dime to speak to this group in Iowa, is there a point to this story other than the usual attempt at a pernicious smear against her? You'll really grasp at any anti-Palin material won't you, GM? |
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:12 pm |
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Um. Her "fee" is $100,000. So some of her fans (and "fans" is the right word, one feels ) want to come up with the money to pay her to speak. Is that a "smear"? Or is it, you know, the unvarnished truth? Do you regard it as a "smear"? Why? Do you think it's doing anything other than pointing out the obvious? Everything about Mrs. Palin is obvious. She is the Queen of Obvious.
I wonder why this woman exerts such a powerful attraction on some people. It is one of
Life's Great Mysteries
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:08 pm |
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There must have been several old growth forests' worth of print devoted to answering that very question. Not to mention thousands of hours of TV and radio time.
I suspect you receive your information through very narrow channels, if you are still at a loss as to why anyone would not dismiss her with the customary, liberal hatchet job.
Sarah has zap. Zork. Kapowza. If you have to ask, you'll never understand. |
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:43 pm |
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Johnny_Flett said:
There must have been several old growth forests' worth of print devoted to answering that very question. Not to mention thousands of hours of TV and radio time.
I suspect you receive your information through very narrow channels, if you are still at a loss as to why anyone would not dismiss her with the customary, liberal hatchet job.
Sarah has zap. Zork. Kapowza. If you have to ask, you'll never understand.
Oh, poor Johnny Flett. She has entranced you? Was it the winking? The
tuchas
, so pert in that $2,000 skirt?
I
don't
get it, you see. Just as some people think Viggo Mortenson made a fine Aragorn and I didn't think so. That sort of thing.
It didn't take any "liberal hatchet jobs", JF. It just took an interview with Katie Couric and that awful performance in the "debate" with Mr. Biden.
Mrs. Palin is
common
. Not in the sense of "the greatness of the common man", but in the English sense of "dead common". You might think she's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I think she's toast. |
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:58 pm |
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Dishonest? 100K is Palin's speaking fee for Iowa. And she's an idiot. That's two honest statements from me.
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She is NOT smart and she's NOT educated. That's not a smear, it's the truth.
One of the things I typically demand out of the people that I cast a vote for is that they carry more intellectual firepower than me. That's why I felt comfortable voting for Obama and would never, ever, ever vote for Sarah Palin.
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And calling someone "stupid" in so many words is your playbook
Xhen?
That wasn't a snark filled conservative bash post, it was the laying out of facts. Sarah Palin really IS as dumb as she appears on TV and that's it.
No jokes, no snark, none needed. Where you got a "ROFL" is beyond me. |
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I think Sarah Palin is great. As long as she doesn't run for office. She's a pretty hot grandma. I'm hoping she'll join that 'Conservative' third-party and take the religious right with her. Then maybe the Republican Party can reboot and become productive in this country. |
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Pew Political IQ Poll: Republicans Consistently More Knowledgeable
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You likely won't see this poll result elsewhere, so I thought I'd highlight it here. This is a Pew Political IQ test conducted over the phone with 1,002 adults from Oct. 1-4. They were asked 12 questions, and answered an average of 5.3 questions correctly, according to Pew.
Under a section called "Partisan Knowledge Gap," we find Republicans were more knowledgeable by a double-digit factor on four issues. Although the Glenn Beck question is naturally easier for Republicans, the other three issues are basic political knowledge— what "cap-and-trade" means, who's in control of the House, and who the new Supreme Court Justice is (a question that should perhaps be easier for Democrats). Republicans also led Democrats on identifying the unemployment rate, Fed chairman, Dow level, Max Baucus' position. Republicans correctly answered an Iran/Israel question and an Afghanistan question more often than Dems. Republicans and Democrats were even on identifying the "public option" as a health-care plan.
But take heart, Democrats: You lead Republicans by five points on a whopping one question.
And yet another poll:
Conservatives Maintain Edge as Top Ideological Group
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Conservatives continue to outnumber moderates and liberals in the American populace in 2009, confirming a finding that Gallup first noted in June. Forty percent of Americans describe their political views as conservative, 36% as moderate, and 20% as liberal. This marks a shift from 2005 through 2008, when moderates were tied with conservatives as the most prevalent group.
That number will probably rise since the Obama administration is helping to create a whole new generation of conservatives by demonstrating first hand the negative impact of liberal policies and thinking just as Jimmy Carter did in the 70s. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:52 pm |
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Well, I read that article in Vanity Fair featuring that Levi person. It was pretty bad. He plans to be an actor or model, apparently? Yet his only demonstrated talent is to impregnate governors' daughters. A chubby backwoods nobody.
Trashy boy. It's bad form to kiss and tell. Plus, he didn't reveal anything of any real interest about the Palins, or at least anything we didn't already know or guess. Common as muck, the whole pack of them, |
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Posted: Mon Nov 2, 2009 8:22 am |
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Looking for a True Conservative
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/1116/opinions-paul-johnson-current-events.html
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In all this topsy-turvy confusion what's needed is a clearheaded philosopher who can sort out the various forms of conservatism and show sensible-minded people, such as the regular readers of Forbes, which of the many varieties they should support.
A true conservative today should stress construction, encouragement, moderation and understanding instead of destruction, prohibition, extremism and slogans. A conservative thinks in terms of countless minor corrections and improvements based on experience and experiment rather than in terms of a universal, uniform solution based on theory and enforced by inflexible law.
A conservative, in the best sense, sees the world and its inhabitants as an interdependent organism, comprising innumerable local communities and territories, each adapting to particular conditions. A conservative is someone who goes with the grain of humanity and the nature of the physical world, rather than trying to regiment and fashion a utopia through force of law. And, needless to say, an acceptable conservative is not one who thinks all the answers are obvious but is a modest person who admits that problems are not easily solved, that perfection is unattainable in this world and that it is often necessary to admit mistakes, change one's mind and start again.
Republicans should start looking now for a person who embodies these characteristics. If one can be found there should be no difficulty in putting Mr. Obama into his true historical place as an interesting and instructive one-term President.
Somehow I don't see Sarah Palin as fitting the bill... |
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