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Does jumping onboard Obama's hard left agenda (or meekly standing aside) equate to loyalty to the country now?


That's where you, and the right, lose all their credibility. This characterization is so amazingly off-base (just ask the 'hard left') that it is utterly meaningless. You can't negotiate with demagoguery. You should appreciate that fact, given your commitment to the global war on terror.

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The part that makes me giggle is "Obama's hard left agenda". These people wouldn't know a real leftist if he bit them on the ankle.

But, you know, and I know, we all know, that these sorts of remarks will be repeated and repeated and repeated until, their utterers hope, they take on some aura of "truth". The old Ministers of Truth might not be in office, but they are still fighting the propaganda war.

The word "meme" springs to mind. I wonder why?

 

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Gandalf'sMother said:

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Does jumping onboard Obama's hard left agenda (or meekly standing aside) equate to loyalty to the country now?


That's where you, and the right, lose all their credibility. This characterization is so amazingly off-base (just ask the 'hard left') that it is utterly meaningless. You can't negotiate with demagoguery. You should appreciate that fact, given your commitment to the global war on terror.

-GM


Let's see, you're now equating opposition to Obama's agenda with Islamic jihad, and you actually have the chutzpah to unironically squeal about demagoguery?


No, I am comparing demagoguery to demagoguery. And didn't your pal Rush just say something about agreeing with the Taliban and Iran about Obama's Peace Prize? Looks like the comparison fits like a glove!

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No, I am comparing demagoguery to demagoguery.


He says as he engages in demagoguery.

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And didn't your pal Rush just say something about agreeing with the Taliban and Iran about Obama's Peace Prize? Looks like the comparison fits like a glove!

-GM


I don't know what he said, although it was most likely done tongue-in-cheek just to tweak the Obamabots, which he frequently does just for sport. And it invariably works.

BTW, according to a Gallup poll, 61% of Americans agree with the Taliban and Iran that Obama didn't deserve to win the Nobel Prize.

 

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Interesting poll. Looks like the demagoguery has been working!

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Interesting poll. Looks like the demagoguery has been working!

-GM


And, it's fun to see that the anti-Obama forces are, once again, on the same "side" as the Taliban and Al Qaeda. If Osama bin Laden could have planned the course that the USA would take after 9/11, I daresay it would have looked much like what happened up until a majority of the population woke up and voted for Mr. Obama. The Taliban and Al Qaeda, and the anti-Obama forces, are probably gnashing theyz little teefs.

 

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Gandalf'sMother said:

Interesting poll. Looks like the demagoguery has been working!

-GM


And, it's fun to see that the anti-Obama forces are, once again, on the same "side" as the Taliban and Al Qaeda. If Osama bin Laden could have planned the course that the USA would take after 9/11, I daresay it would have looked much like what happened up until a majority of the population woke up and voted for Mr. Obama. The Taliban and Al Qaeda, and the anti-Obama forces, are probably gnashing theyz little teefs.


Exactly! The election of Obama certainly put a ripple in Bin Laden's and the American conservative establishment's plan to generate a civilization-ending demagogic American neoconservative century, replete with imperial overstretch and total global anti-Americanism!

Must suck to be both a neocon and a terrorist these days.

Just ask Rush.

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I don't know what he said, although it was most likely done tongue-in-cheek just to tweak the Obamabots, which he frequently does just for sport. And it invariably works.


I can't imagine how bad of a thing he would have to say to prevent you from calling it some sort of clever messing with our heads. Meanwhile, you're willing to instantly jump on Anita Dunn for the "favorite political philosophers" remark, without thinking for a moment that she might have been going for "tongue in cheek" in that moment?

 

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Looks like the "woman of the people" Sarah Palin wants $100,000 to give a speech in Iowa!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28873.html#at

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A conservative Iowa group’s effort to lure Sarah Palin to its banquet next month has had an unintended effect: Rather than exciting conservatives about the prospect of a visit from the former Alaska governor, the group’s plan to raise a six-figure sum to bring her to the state has GOP activists recoiling at the thought of paying to land a politician's speaking appearance.

The Iowa Family Policy Center’s effort to cobble together $100,000 for Palin would represent a striking departure from customary practice in the first-in-the-nation state, these Republicans say, noting that a generation of White House hopefuls has paid their own way to boost their party and presidential ambitions.

Were Palin to appear in Iowa on November 21st, it would mark her first trip back to the state since she spoke to a handful of rallies there last fall as the GOP’s vice-presidential nominee. She would offer powerful counter-programming to another major political event that night: The Iowa Democratic Party’s Jefferson-Jackson Dinner with Vice-President Joe Biden as the headliner.

But representatives from other Iowa-based political advocacy groups said they would never consider shelling out money for what many politicians see as a privilege: the opportunity to speak to a room full of sure-fire caucus-goers who often serve as precinct captains and can be instrumental to a presidential candidate’s success.

“If somebody tells me they want me to pay an appearance fee, it tells me they’re not very serious about running for president,” said Ed Failor, Jr., president of Iowans for Tax Relief and an influential GOP insider.

“I found it really, really odd,” Failor said.

He noted that his group had not and never would pay for a politician to speak—pointing out the obvious in-kind contribution any potential presidential hopeful receives by appearing in the state that kicks off the presidential nominating process.

“They come and show up here because they want to be relevant in Iowa,” he said.

Steve Scheffler, the president of the Iowa Christian Alliance and a longtime GOP activist, said his organization would also never ante up.

“We certainly wouldn’t do it, even if we had the money,” Scheffler said, adding that he wanted to keep his group “impartial” in the caucus process and that paying money to one prospective candidate could raise questions about such neutrality.

Tim Albrecht, spokesman for the conservative, Iowa-based American Future Fund, said his group “has a policy not to pay speakers to come to Iowa,” and, like Failor, hinted at what those guests get in return.

“We are proud to host conservative leaders from across the country, providing them an audience across the state and nation to share their conservative vision,” Albrecht said.

Like the other Iowa political hands, he could not recall a single instance where a potential candidate had been paid to speak.

At the request of the Iowa Family Policy Center, Team Sarah, a national pro-Palin organization not formally connected to the former governor, has begun raising money among its members in an effort to collect the $100,000.

Reached on his cell phone, Iowa Family Policy Center president Chuck Hurley said he had been expecting another call from the “202” area code and declined to answer questions, saying alternately that he was signing checks and in a meeting.

He passed his phone to Bryan English, a spokesman for the group, who initially said their effort to raise money was only to secure a venue, pay for lighting and promote the event.

But then he said he was “not personally aware of a speaker’s fee.”

“There may or may not be, I don’t know,” English said.

And he added: “Any details of arrangements between our speakers and our organization are between our speakers and our organization.”

But, money or not, it seems unlikely that Palin will appear for the event.

“This is one of more than a thousand requests for the governor's time,” said Palin spokeswoman Meg Stapleton. “This particular invitation arrived late last week. It is under consideration, as so many are, but will be incredibly difficult to attend with her tightly-scheduled book tour underway at that point.”

Palin’s book, “Going Rogue,” is to be released on November 17th, followed by a national book tour.

There is no indication that the former governor has requested a fee or that her decision whether to attend is being influenced by whether she’ll be paid.

Plainly, though, Hurley’s organization is trying to do all it can to get Palin to the banquet. In addition to working with the Team Sarah group to raise cash, the group issued a statement Tuesday promising an event “on a much larger scale” and touted their communications with the former governor “through both official and informal channels.”

Privately, Iowa Republicans are cringing at, not only the idea of pay-to-play, but also what they view as an amateurish effort to sell tickets for the dinner by floating Palin's name.

But English dismissed a question about the group’s tactics to secure a Palin visit.

“I don’t think anything about this process has to be part of a political tradition,” English said, observing that their only goal was to have a successful event.

Palin, it seems, is breaking the mold again.

Longtime Iowa strategists say the attempt to publicly dangle money before her is yet another reminder of Palin’s sui generis status on the political scene.

“She is a phenomenon,” said David Kochel, an Iowa GOP consultant, recalling the thousands Palin drew in her appearances in the state for the party ticket last fall.

“If she can draw a big enough crowd, it would put a spotlight on the organization,” Kochel added, noting that they could recoup the speaker’s fee if, as is being considered, they drew Palin and had the event at Des Moines’s Wells Fargo Arena. “They want to trade on her star power.”

Gordon Fischer, a former Iowa Democratic Party chairman and Des Moines lawyer, called the gambit “incredibly unusual.”

“It shows the incredible star power of Gov. Palin, at least in certain circles,” Fischer said.

The effort also underlines how Palin straddles the line between politician and political personality.

Failor, the anti-tax advocate, said the only other examples he could recall when a group paid for a political speech were with big-name talk show hosts such as Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.

But for Iowa political activists accustomed to high-profile politicians of both parties—Clintons, Kennedys and Bushs—descending on their state and spending hours in their homes, schools and churches, the idea of paying for the attention some see as their birthright is anathema.

“If it comes to pass, it's not a precedent Iowans will like,” said Ann Trimble-Ray, Chairwoman of the Sac County GOP. “We are spoiled -- and used to being paid attention to.”



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There is no indication that the former governor has requested a fee or that her decision whether to attend is being influenced by whether she’ll be paid.


Say what? After hundreds of words prattling on about how awful this is they finally get around to saying that Palin never asked for the money and there's no indication that it would influence her decision to speak to them?,

So other than Palin never asking for a dime to speak to this group in Iowa, is there a point to this story other than the usual attempt at a pernicious smear against her? You'll really grasp at any anti-Palin material won't you, GM?

 



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Um. Her "fee" is $100,000. So some of her fans (and "fans" is the right word, one feels Cool ) want to come up with the money to pay her to speak. Is that a "smear"? Or is it, you know, the unvarnished truth? Do you regard it as a "smear"? Why? Do you think it's doing anything other than pointing out the obvious? Everything about Mrs. Palin is obvious. She is the Queen of Obvious.

I wonder why this woman exerts such a powerful attraction on some people. It is one of Life's Great Mysteries . Maybe you have to be a man to understand it. Any men here care to explain?

 

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There must have been several old growth forests' worth of print devoted to answering that very question. Not to mention thousands of hours of TV and radio time.

I suspect you receive your information through very narrow channels, if you are still at a loss as to why anyone would not dismiss her with the customary, liberal hatchet job.

Sarah has zap. Zork. Kapowza. If you have to ask, you'll never understand.

 

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There must have been several old growth forests' worth of print devoted to answering that very question. Not to mention thousands of hours of TV and radio time.

I suspect you receive your information through very narrow channels, if you are still at a loss as to why anyone would not dismiss her with the customary, liberal hatchet job.

Sarah has zap. Zork. Kapowza. If you have to ask, you'll never understand.


Oh, poor Johnny Flett. She has entranced you? Was it the winking? The tuchas , so pert in that $2,000 skirt?

I don't get it, you see. Just as some people think Viggo Mortenson made a fine Aragorn and I didn't think so. That sort of thing.

It didn't take any "liberal hatchet jobs", JF. It just took an interview with Katie Couric and that awful performance in the "debate" with Mr. Biden.

Mrs. Palin is common . Not in the sense of "the greatness of the common man", but in the English sense of "dead common". You might think she's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I think she's toast.

 

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There must have been several old growth forests' worth of print devoted to answering that very question. Not to mention thousands of hours of TV and radio time.

I suspect you receive your information through very narrow channels, if you are still at a loss as to why anyone would not dismiss her with the customary, liberal hatchet job.

Sarah has zap. Zork. Kapowza. If you have to ask, you'll never understand.


She's also an idiot. That's likable, I suppose...

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She's also an idiot. That's likable, I suppose...

-GM


Caught in yet another dishonest hatchet job, GM simply reverts back to base insults against her without apology. Shameful but typical.

 

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Dishonest? 100K is Palin's speaking fee for Iowa. And she's an idiot. That's two honest statements from me.

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Dishonest? 100K is Palin's speaking fee for Iowa. And she's an idiot. That's two honest statements from me.

-GM


Typical Alinsky BS to try to falsely paint her as a hypocrite. And the story was fundamentally dishonest, yet you peddled it anyway. You either were too lazy to check it out because it fit your preconceived biases or too dishonest to care.

Which was it?

 

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She is NOT smart and she's NOT educated. That's not a smear, it's the truth.

One of the things I typically demand out of the people that I cast a vote for is that they carry more intellectual firepower than me. That's why I felt comfortable voting for Obama and would never, ever, ever vote for Sarah Palin.

Done and done.

 

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She is NOT smart and she's NOT educated. That's not a smear, it's the truth.

One of the things I typically demand out of the people that I cast a vote for is that they carry more intellectual firepower than me. That's why I felt comfortable voting for Obama and would never, ever, ever vote for Sarah Palin.

Done and done.


ROFL. Yep, that's some powerful 1000 megaton intellectual firepower you've put on display on this forum. It can only be a matter of time before you start declaring victory with a "'nuff said" at the end of your posts!

Seriously man, your conservative bashing posts aren't even up to Daily Kos levels of intellectual dexterity. GM at least has the Saul Alinsky playbook he's running with.

 

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And calling someone "stupid" in so many words is your playbook Xhen?

That wasn't a snark filled conservative bash post, it was the laying out of facts. Sarah Palin really IS as dumb as she appears on TV and that's it.

No jokes, no snark, none needed. Where you got a "ROFL" is beyond me.

 

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That wasn't a snark filled conservative bash post, it was the laying out of facts. Sarah Palin really IS as dumb as she appears on TV and that's it.


Not knowing the difference between facts and opinions isn't helping your case any.

 

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More than seven in 10 Americans think Sarah Palin is not qualified to be president, according to a new national poll.

Now that's worrying.....

 

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Going back a page....

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In fact, the left has pretty much managed to devalue the word "racist" in the same way the right overused "commie" back in the '60s. It's just become a meaningless slur intended to shut down debate.


This is not really a valid analogy. "Commie" ceased to be an effective label because there were virtually no communists in the US in the 60's or any other time so the exaggeration was self-defeating. On the other hand there were plenty of racists, and there are still some about - look at the readers comments on the Fox News site any time they ask for comments about Obama and you will find them.

 

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I think Sarah Palin is great. As long as she doesn't run for office. She's a pretty hot grandma. I'm hoping she'll join that 'Conservative' third-party and take the religious right with her. Then maybe the Republican Party can reboot and become productive in this country.
 

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Pew Political IQ Poll: Republicans Consistently More Knowledgeable

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You likely won't see this poll result elsewhere, so I thought I'd highlight it here. This is a Pew Political IQ test conducted over the phone with 1,002 adults from Oct. 1-4. They were asked 12 questions, and answered an average of 5.3 questions correctly, according to Pew.

Under a section called "Partisan Knowledge Gap," we find Republicans were more knowledgeable by a double-digit factor on four issues. Although the Glenn Beck question is naturally easier for Republicans, the other three issues are basic political knowledge— what "cap-and-trade" means, who's in control of the House, and who the new Supreme Court Justice is (a question that should perhaps be easier for Democrats). Republicans also led Democrats on identifying the unemployment rate, Fed chairman, Dow level, Max Baucus' position. Republicans correctly answered an Iran/Israel question and an Afghanistan question more often than Dems. Republicans and Democrats were even on identifying the "public option" as a health-care plan.

But take heart, Democrats: You lead Republicans by five points on a whopping one question.


And yet another poll:

Conservatives Maintain Edge as Top Ideological Group

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Conservatives continue to outnumber moderates and liberals in the American populace in 2009, confirming a finding that Gallup first noted in June. Forty percent of Americans describe their political views as conservative, 36% as moderate, and 20% as liberal. This marks a shift from 2005 through 2008, when moderates were tied with conservatives as the most prevalent group.


That number will probably rise since the Obama administration is helping to create a whole new generation of conservatives by demonstrating first hand the negative impact of liberal policies and thinking just as Jimmy Carter did in the 70s.

 

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Xhen wrote:

Not knowing the difference between facts and opinions isn't helping your case any.

Pot, meet kettle.

And without a trace of irony. Amazing Xhen, really. Rolling Eyes

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I think Sarah Palin is great. As long as she doesn't run for office. She's a pretty hot grandma. I'm hoping she'll join that 'Conservative' third-party and take the religious right with her. Then maybe the Republican Party can reboot and become productive in this country.

This is a really good point. How much longer before the really loud American Taliban separates from the Bob Dole Republicans and goes on to do their own thing?

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That number will probably rise since the Obama administration is helping to create a whole new generation of conservatives by demonstrating first hand the negative impact of liberal policies and thinking just as Jimmy Carter did in the 70s.

Obama is Jimmy Carter!
This is good news for John McCain!
Reagan is God!
Pennsylvania will vote red!

Keep spouting those rehearsed talking points Xhen, you're bound to be right one of these days... Laughing

 

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This is more fun than a barrel of monkeys. You guyz are great.

I especially love the assertion that after less than a year in office, Mr. Obama is driving otherwise moderate or even liberal people into being "conservative". " . . . . the negative impact of liberal policies and thinking just as Jimmy Carter did in the 70s."

The new playbook is out!!! The "conservative meme"!

Thenidmin said:

I think Sarah Palin is great. As long as she doesn't run for office. She's a pretty hot grandma. I'm hoping she'll join that 'Conservative' third-party and take the religious right with her. Then maybe the Republican Party can reboot and become productive in this country.


Thenidmin, I hope you're right. It would be great to have a respectable Republican party again, one that Mr. Eisenhower could belong to. I wonder what he'd say if he could see Mrs. Palin being offered up as a candidate for POTUS? All his medals would fall off, he'd spin in his grave so fast. Shocked

 

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Pot, meet kettle.

And without a trace of irony. Amazing Xhen, really.


Care to give me a single example of where I claimed my opinion was fact as you just did with your ridiculous and biased claim about Sarah Palin's intelligence? BTW, "ridiculous and biased" are opinions that I'm not promoting as "facts."

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This is a really good point. How much longer before the really loud American Taliban separates from the Bob Dole Republicans and goes on to do their own thing?


Once again, you're not exactly helping your case in selling your "intellectual firepower" with this crap. This is just the hatred bubbling out, much like your accusing me and anyone criticizing ACORN as being racists who don't want "dark-hued" people to vote.

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Obama is Jimmy Carter!
This is good news for John McCain!
Reagan is God!
Pennsylvania will vote red!


Got any more strawmen in your bag?

 

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vison said:

It would be great to have a respectable Republican party again, one that Mr. Eisenhower could belong to. I wonder what he'd say if he could see Mrs. Palin being offered up as a candidate for POTUS? All his medals would fall off, he'd spin in his grave so fast.


No doubt. The folks that adore Sarah Palin are what the media calls the "Republican Base", but they've dwindled to about 20% of the voting public and I KNOW there are many more people who would love to have their Republican Party back - probably enough people to defeat the Democrats who look pretty pathetic for the most part IMO.

 

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vison said:

I wonder why this woman exerts such a powerful attraction on some people. It is one of Life's Great Mysteries . Maybe you have to be a man to understand it. Any men here care to explain?


Some fellas' little brains are indeed very little. Razz

It's too many starbursts too many times that does it, I'm sure.

Some fellas love being dominated, like when Sarah railroaded her State Trooper in-law.

The female-exec type that can take off and hop into a 'copter and take out several species of wild-life is sure to get the gun-nuts interested.

And then there's Levi who promises us a bag-ful of secrets.

Yum!

Laughing

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Well, I read that article in Vanity Fair featuring that Levi person. It was pretty bad. He plans to be an actor or model, apparently? Yet his only demonstrated talent is to impregnate governors' daughters. A chubby backwoods nobody.

Trashy boy. It's bad form to kiss and tell. Plus, he didn't reveal anything of any real interest about the Palins, or at least anything we didn't already know or guess. Common as muck, the whole pack of them,

 

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Looking for a True Conservative
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/1116/opinions-paul-johnson-current-events.html

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In all this topsy-turvy confusion what's needed is a clearheaded philosopher who can sort out the various forms of conservatism and show sensible-minded people, such as the regular readers of Forbes, which of the many varieties they should support.

A true conservative today should stress construction, encouragement, moderation and understanding instead of destruction, prohibition, extremism and slogans. A conservative thinks in terms of countless minor corrections and improvements based on experience and experiment rather than in terms of a universal, uniform solution based on theory and enforced by inflexible law.

A conservative, in the best sense, sees the world and its inhabitants as an interdependent organism, comprising innumerable local communities and territories, each adapting to particular conditions. A conservative is someone who goes with the grain of humanity and the nature of the physical world, rather than trying to regiment and fashion a utopia through force of law. And, needless to say, an acceptable conservative is not one who thinks all the answers are obvious but is a modest person who admits that problems are not easily solved, that perfection is unattainable in this world and that it is often necessary to admit mistakes, change one's mind and start again.

Republicans should start looking now for a person who embodies these characteristics. If one can be found there should be no difficulty in putting Mr. Obama into his true historical place as an interesting and instructive one-term President.


Somehow I don't see Sarah Palin as fitting the bill...

 

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